seriously OT: Bill Gates still greedy after all these years.

[dave in fairfax]

Right! The stole it from PARC Dave in Fairfax

[dave in fairfax]

It depends on what you call "support". The business community did stage a backlash and M$ decided to continue the security updates for Win98. That's all I need for them to do. I've got software and I can check new hardware for compatibility. Dave in Fairfax

[Leon]

Actually Microsoft renounced that comment and will support 98 for at least

2 more years IIRC

[Leon]

I was using Win98 on a 1997 Dell and up graded in December to XP and a new Dell. I did not have to upgrade any of my software. It all worked. As far as your peripherals working on USB 1.1, they will work on 2.0 also as that is backwards compatible. The only thing that did not work well was my older Epson scanner. Not compatible with XP.

[Bay Area Dave]

as I already mentioned, on the front of the package it said "PC and Mac". On the side panel in print smaller than I can possibly read without reading glasses, and even then I can barely read it in bright light, it listed several versions of Windoz. I wouldn't expect a mouse to require the latest versions of Windoz.

dave

RWM wrote:

[Larry Blanchard]

Same here. Oh, OK, it's not a very good platform for developing Unix software, but I've got Linux for that. And I'm retired, so I don't do that anymore, anyway, anyhow :-).

[Phisherman]

Always carefully check "Requirements" before purchasing any computer component or application. The requirements can be found on the box. Logitech is actually a good mouse. I have a corded Microsoft Intellimouse that's connected to a PS/2 port on my (very) old Windows

98SE machine. It worked without running the bloated MS setup stuff. I bet it would work with Linux too. Even after meeting the requirements, compatibility issues are more common than ever.

[GRL]

...but they un-announced that partially and said that ME IS still supported. So, in effect, 98 is supported.

[LRod]

Is anyone still running that gawdawful piece of crap?

- - LRod

Master Woodbutcher and seasoned termite

Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999

[Phisherman]

I often wonder this too. I know I spent a lot for my Powermatic 66 ten years ago, almost $2000. If my PM66 was a computer it would be worth about $20 today, if that. New vehicles depreciate very quickly too. I think my furniture has actually increased in value, perhaps more so after I'm dead.

[George]

Don't remind your wife of this.

I know I spent a lot for my Powermatic 66

[CyBrShRk]

[e-mail] (Greg) wrote in news: [e-mail]:

The statement that XP is only "bigger" and better "quality of the cartoons" compared to Win9X is way off mark. XP is so far more powerful and stable, I couldn't possibly run a Win9X box ever again. As a PC/Network Support Specialist for a large community college, the greatest thing we have done was upgrading from Win98 boxes to Xp on everybodys desk. The amount of headaches has sharply declined.

[skeezics]

but you can change the propertiese for that and make it run in win 95 or win 98 mode. i have some things that were not able to run on xp but they do work once changed to win 98 compatibility

skeez

[Greg]

I doubt most of us are running a large network with a 1000 would be hackers operating our machined doing god knows what. If your application is stable, your platform can be too.

[Christopher Pine]

WIndows 98? Thats like 6+ years ago!

[Greg]

Steel woodworking tools are "1,000+ years ago", it doesn't keep us from using them, because they still do the job.

[Bay Area Dave]

yeah, so?? it works. I don't need a new computer/OS. You are parroting what the marketers want you to think; that yesterday's technology is so obsolete that you MUST upgrade, upgrade, upgrade. I'm not buying into that.

dave

Christ> WIndows 98? Thats like 6+ years ago!

[Tom Watson]

Nah. I bought a 2.4ghz box a few months ago and paid a bit extra to get a real P4 (instead of the Celery chip), 512g ram, and XP Pro (so I could try it out).

After screwing around with XP for a while, I put on 98SE and the machine ran faster and better - had a whole lot less footprint on it than that new hog, too.

I already have dedicated apps that do most of the things that XP bundles lamely into the OS. (ps don't believe the guys who tell you it won't run usb 2.0 -- that's a damned lie.)

I use XP Pro at work and it locks up two or three times a day (yeah, its got all the piggy patches). The uptime on my 98SE laptop (running at a gaudy 300mhz) is measured in months.

Tomorrow I take possession of a new laptop, with the groovy Centrino technoboogie stuff, loads of ram, etc.

It's gonna come with XP Home - but that'll get wiped first thing.

(watson - who ran Win95 on that 2.4ghz box for a few days and it was blazin' fast - but too many apps/hardware don't like it - sigh...)

Thomas J. Watson-Cabinetmaker (ret) Real Email is: tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet Website:

[codepath]

You may not be administering a large network, but if you are on the Internet, you are part of one. With, I might add, many thousands of hackers.

I have a cable modem and when I look at my BlackICE logs (firewall and anti-intrusion software), I have about 50+ hits/day from would-be intruders. Most are harmless, but about 25% of those hits are of the type which indicate intent to cause harm.

I get at least 5-6 hits per week on my anti-virus software from spam email and simple web page viewing.

And at least 5-6 hits per week on my spyware detection software from spam.

I can't say enough about the benefits of BlackICE software. When CodeRed and Nimda hit, I had just reinstalled Windows 2000 and put BlackICE on it. I hadn't gotten around to installing any service packs or security updates or anti-virus software. By the time I got home from work, there were reports of servers going down everywhere, Internet traffic slowing to a crawl, and other reports of mass IT chaos.

I checked my box, prepared to wipe it and start over. I looked at the BlackICE logs. My jaw hit the floor. Not a single event penetrated my box. There were hundreds for hits but all were blocked. I installed my eTrust anti-virus, updated the signatures list and scanned the box. Nothing.

It saved my ass again when the SQL Slammer hit. Fricken cool.

codepath

[Greg]

XP had a security hole in it you could drive a truck through. I assume they fixed it but it sure did not inspire confidence from me.