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Made the mistake of going into the local Rockler with SWMBO a few days ago and the staff were all greeting me by name, asking questions and so on. After we made SWMBO's purchase and left she asked "How is it they ALL know you?!". Needless to say, I did not respond "Have you looked in the garage lately?" and I will not be taking her to the other four places where I'm that well known. Home Depot and Lowes are relatively safe - I only know the regulars in the tool sections.

If you have to ask, it's already too late.

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On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 00:22:57 -0600, the inscrutable Patriarch

Ewe folks who shop at Rockler have too little sense and FAR too much discretionary income. I'd like to help you out. Send half your discretionary income to me and I'll help you learn how to shop, how to use multiple sources to save money, etc.
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Larry Jaques wrote:
> Ewe folks who shop at Rockler have too little sense and FAR too much

Other than a heavy iron shop, Home Depot, Lowes and Harbor Fright Rockler is the only game left in town. The closest other woodworking stores would be in Toronto, NY or Rochester, NY.
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I went over to Rockler's this afternoon, whilst the wife was at a local quilting show. Looking to find an answer to a problem I ran into, while building the tool shrine without plans, I browsed around for about 15 minutes, then sat through two hours of a demonstration on turning segmented bowls, by a local woodturner. Watching this fellow work, and asking a very few questions, settled a bunch of turning related questions in my mind, and taught me a lot I hadn't gotten from books or videos.
There's a lot of value in that. Learning not only the 'what', but also the 'how' and the 'why'.
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On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 18:17:01 -0600, the inscrutable Patriarch

Hey, Yack, you're prolly next-day service from Lee Valley up there. What's the problem? ;)

Ah, being a bachelor, I hadn't considered the "Wasting half a day while wifey shops." counterpoint. You're a smart man to have used it the way you did vs. moseying around at the quilt show for half a decade (in "feel" time.) What did the demo cost to watch?
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Just the time I spent.
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On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 11:12:15 -0600, the inscrutable Patriarch

OK, estimation of Rockler is now modified. They do, after all, have 1 or more socially redeeming qualities.
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On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 06:03:13 -0800, Larry Jaques

Bunch of whiners, if you ask me. Jack is less than a couple of hours away from the Burlington store, while Jaques is only a four or five hour drive from the Vancouver store.
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On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 11:17:26 -0800, the inscrutable Luigi Zanasi

Yeah, at 120mph, MAYBE. That's 500 miles to Seattle from here, WeeGee. Vancouver, WA, USA may be only a 6 hour drive, but BC is a bit farther. Hmmm, time to get a passport and check out the LVT store, huh?
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On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 14:19:14 -0800, Larry Jaques

Don't need a passport Larry, just a drivers license and the willingness to tell the nice Canadian gate guard, at least 5 different ways and times, that you don't have any guns or ammunition in your vehicle. Anything else is, apparently, fair game.

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On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 18:08:03 -0700, the inscrutable Mark & Juanita

I've heard that a passport makes things go a lot smoother and quicker in a pinch. I'd hate to visit the GWN and not be able to re-enter the USA in time for winter. Egad, the horrors! I'd have to go up farther and camp out in front of WeeGee's wood stove.
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From the Canadian Tourism Commission <http://www.travelcanada.ca/tc_redesign/app/en/us/travelArticle.do?catId Q>
"Visitor Requirements: U.S. Residents Although a passport is the ideal identification, you do not require a passport or visa to enter Canada. Just make sure you carry identification to establish your citizenship such as a Birth Certificate and least one ID card with photo. If you are a naturalized U.S. citizen, you should carry this certificate. Permanent residents of the U.S.A. must bring their "Green Card".
Although it is rare, immigration officials may prevent the entry of visitors: 1. who appear to pose a health risk. 2. those they doubt will be able to support themselves and their dependents in Canada. 3. whose willingness and means to return to the U.S. is in doubt.
As well, those admissible to Canada must not have a criminal record. This includes any convictions for driving while intoxicated.
If you have questions about your admissibility to enter Canada, contact your nearest Canadian Embassy or Consulate for consultation."
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Larry Jaques wrote:

I've almost never had a hard time getting through customs other than about a two hour wait in line on a nice day.
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On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 08:18:13 -0800, Larry Jaques

Ya gotta point. :-) Yep, don't want to get stuck up there any time after what, August?
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On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 18:08:03 -0700, the inscrutable Mark & Juanita

Hmmm, the passport process is no fun and costs $97 to start. Maybe I don't need one for a quick visit.
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Larry Jaques wrote:

Just a quick note.
A drivers license (DL) is not sufficient to re-enter either country. -- Unless you are not checked (lucky). A birth certificate speeds things along nicely. Other picture ID is useful -- but not considered proof...
If you cross the border have your DL AND your Birth Certificate. That generally works and only occasionally do you get someone having a bad day and wanting to make a point. Also -- have your story ready (about reason for visit, length of stay) for instant recital -- hesitation can get you a trip to the inspection lane. (If you give the story quickly without need for questions you usually get a smile, a wave and the comment: "Done this before eh/huh?" -- at least at Blaine.)
Course Amurriccans have these funny accents and say ruf instead of rooof -- which helps place them LOL -- and speeds re-entry nicely.
Carrying tobacco or Alcohol either way generally means having to fill out forms (and causes wallet softening) which causes increased scrutiny -- which is really irritating if indeed you are clean.
Clean car, conservative dress and a polite demeanor usually sort out most potential problems at the B.C./Washington border very quickly. Never had a problem there -- except once when a buddy insisted on using his dirty car, dressing like a hippy and smoking hand-rolled cigs -- The US officials were polite -- but they did waste an hour of their time and ours. All he said was "you were right". And lit up another HR Cig.
The he wanted to smuggle wine and booze back into Canada... Because of our appearance I just insisted we pay the C&D -- which he did -- wisely IMO.
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On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 11:54:45 -0500, the inscrutable WillR

OK, I'll have to make sure I have a copy of the BC with me in the truck.

"Can you direct me to the Lee Valley woodworker's store?"

I'm good, then. ;)

That's OK. I'm an ex-smoker and ex-drunk.

Well, the interior of my truck is clean and the bed is lined, but the paint is 14 years old and a bit chippy. How are they about cracked windshields? A piece of gravel split mine in half vertically, but it's not much of a vision limiter.

Don't ever ride with HIM again. I've heard that secondary searches can get downright _intimate_! Which brings up the joke:
A game warden came upon a duck hunter who had bagged 3 ducks and decided to 'enforce the laws pending.' He stopped the hunter, flashed his badge and said, 'Looks like you've had a pretty good day. Mind if I inspect your kill?'
The hunter shrugged and handed the ducks to the warden. The warden took one of the ducks, inserted his finger into the duck's rectum, pulled it out, sniffed it, and said, 'This here's a Washington state duck. Do you have a Washington state hunting license?'
The hunter pulled out his wallet and calmly showed the warden a Washington state hunting license. The warden took a second duck, inserted his finger in the bird's rectum, pulled it out, sniffed it, and said, 'This here's an Idaho duck. Do you have an Idaho state hunting license?'
The hunter, a bit put out, produced an Idaho state hunting license. The warden took a third duck, conducted the same finger test, and said, 'This here's an Oregon state duck. Do you have an Oregon state hunting license?'
Once again, only this time more aggravated, the hunter produced the appropriate license. The warden, a little miffed at having struck out, handed the ducks back to the hunter and said, 'You've got all of these licenses, just where the hell are you from?'
The hunter dropped his pants, bent over, and said 'You're so smart, YOU tell ME!'
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Larry Jaques wrote:

Don't think I said copy... Best -- probably required -- to have original I believe...
Copy as in "official copy" would be safest. Notarized might be accepted.
Someone else pointed you at the "official site" Not sure if they specify on this issue. Checked -- Not specified... Assume worst case - government -- remember? LOL
One INS official checked mine once -- then grunted that at least _I_ was smart enough to bring the original. Gather he didn't get any nooky that morning and was making a point of it. I kept it zipped and nodded. Didn't even smile. He looked -- waited to see if I would comment and passed me through. For me that was the worst case...

Very bad joke snipped... Curious tho' did he place you? He asks innocently.
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Best way is Douglas Crossing --
Follow main hwy to Annacis Island Cutoff - once over river take exit that goes (effectively left to Vancouver. Not New Westminster)
North on Knight street.
During Daylight hours there was a tourist booth just north of border on right.
There is lots to see and do besides Lee Valley. Nice City.
When you are ready to go -- just get help from the locals.
Oh -- and don't feed the bears... Grizzlies can be mean suckers.
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On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 19:43:30 -0500, the inscrutable WillR

<sigh> They let illegals get drivers licenses on hearsay but to letour own back into our country requires REAL documentation? Figures.

Yup, quiet is the best way through customs. I'll never forget the look on the inspector's face when I brought a couple pieces of freshly decaying coral across the Mexican border. He quickly closed the suitcase lid, pushed itat me, and had me move along QUICKLY. ;)
I was snorkeling around the edge of Pichilingue Bay and reached down to pick up the broken pieces from the seabed. I couldn't reach 'em. I then tried it with my fin and found I still couldn't reach. I then dove down TWELVE FEET and picked them up. The water was so clear that I thought they were in arm's reach. That was a fun trip; we flew out of Tijuana to Puerto Vallarta, took the ferry across the Gulf of California to La Paz (where I snorkeled and ate steamed clams in jalapeo salsa), then flew back to Tijuana. I think the pilot drank all the beer which was supposed to be served on that flight because he was weaving back and forth so much. When we landed, he overshot the runway so badly that I swear the end of the paved runway was under the tip of the wing when we made a 90 turn to go back to the gates. The front wheel couldn't have been more than 6' from falling off the far edge runway into the boulders. (They don't have sand for soft, safe stops like we do up here.)

I pucker at both ends from the mere thought.

Man, they have ELEVEN stores!
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Will do. Thanks.

I won't. Meeses can be rough, too, or so I understand.
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WillR wrote:

Uh, yeah. I think the Original stays on file unless the state in question has moved to all electronic or microfilm/microfiche record keeping and destroyed the original to save space.
What people get is an official copy, with seal (the bumpy stuff) on it which most folks call 'origininal'. That is, they get that if they are lucky or make a fuss and pay extra because a lot of states these days send a printout from their electronic data base instead of even a copy of the birth certificate.
If you want a copy of the real thing you should ask for a 'certified photostatic copy of the original birth certificate'.
The first time I went to Canada from the US and back I had NO identifying documents at all, though I may have had a copy of my birth certificate. I was in the eighth grade and traveling with my class. At that time I had no identifying documents to take with me. Note that a BC without a footprint attached does not identify anyone, it only documents certain facts about a person who may or may not be the bearer of that document at the time it is inspected.
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