Review: NYW on DIY

Well, I DVRed the inaugural offering of The New Yankee Workshop on DIY this morning (Jigs, Part One) and just finished watching it. I think I'm going to be sick.

Most of you know that I've put a fair amount of time into chronicling the tools Norm has used in 19 years of TNYW. That has entailed watching (and timing) a lot of TNYW episodes (243, so far). I didn't start video taping episodes until around 1999--ten years into the show--so I had to rely on HGTV rebroadcasts for all of the early years.

As I viewed all of the episodes I learned that while the original PBS content totalled 24 minutes and 18 seconds (I'm not sure why the odd number, but it's been consistent over roughly eight years of actual PBS content that I have), HGTV edited their airings down to 21 minutes and 45 seconds--also consistent over twelve years worth of programming, or 156 episodes (all that HGTV ever aired). I had an overlap of a few episodes in the late '90s for which I had both PBS and HGTV versions and it was interesting to see what they cut out--it wasn't a lot, mostly setups and an occasional orientation shot--but generally not a lot of meat. Of course I can't really say how much had been cut from the earlier years because I had no comparison recordings.

This morning marked the return of supplemental (to PBS) airings of TNYW since HGTV ended their contract several years ago. I eagerly anticipated it, since I've been transferring all of my VHS recordings over to DVD. Although the VCR tapes were done from fresh, SP recordings of either original PBS broadcasts or HGTV broadcasts of the earlier years, I had to re-record them in EP in order to get all 13 episodes of a season onto a single two hour tape. Consequently, there's a lot of noise (and jitter, due to different VCR machines involved) on my archive tapes. I was hoping to be able to get pristine transfers from my DVR to the DVDs with the new DIY offering. Here's what happened:

The DIY version (at least for this first program) totalled 19 minutes and 43 seconds of content. That's 4½ minutes out of the original 24+ minutes. I don't think it possible to find enough non-critical material to take out of a 24½ program to get to where DIY apprently feels they need to be, but I thought I'd at least check against the PBS version I have. So I pulled out my archive and watched. Quelle horror! Sure, there were a couple of minor cuts that I noticed at first, but after building the panel cutter, panel raising jig, and circle cutting jig, they stopped. They cut out one of the items entirely--the finger boards. I was shocked enough when I looked at my stopwatch on the first viewing and saw 19:43, but as I viewed the original and found one fourth of the projects missing I was simply stunned.

I think I'm going to be sick. I know I said that already. I don't think I can say it too much. If that's the standard to which DIY is going to air TNYW episodes, I'll recommend you not bother to watch. In order to make that number, there will simply have to be significant content excised which will render the program virtually useless. And I'm stuck with putting my noisy, jittery, EP recordings onto DVD. Or, I can buy 200+ episodes from TNYW at $15 a pop...probably not.

What a disappointment.

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LRod
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SNEEEEEEEP

Perhaps the latest in a very long line of DIY disappointments. I guess the audience that they attract and actually keep has a shorter attention span than the average viewer.

WoodWorks was the only program that I would and or did watch on the DIY channel. I wonder if WoodWorks was originally a 1 hour show? ;~)

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Leon

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Wow, that means that one is essentially spending *more* than one out of every three minutes watching commercials.

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Reply to
Mark & Juanita

Some of us have TiVO.

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B A R R Y

Thats why I gave up watching Saturday Night Live 20 years ago. I started taping it and found 51% was commercials. I wish I could get full pay for 49% of my work time. Lou

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Lou

C'mon.

I don't believe there's ever been a program anywhere on any channel (infomercials don't count) that's aired more than 1:5 commercial to content. That's 20%.

Reply to
LRod

I gave up watching Saturday Night Live when it stopped being funny.

Lee

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Lee Gordon

It's actuallly closer to 30% today ... from answers.com:

Advertisements take airtime away from programs. In the 1960s a typical hour-long American show would run for 51 minutes excluding advertisements. Today, a similar program would only be 42 minutes long; a typical 30-minute block of time includes 22 minutes of programming with 6 minutes of national advertising and 2 minutes of local (although some half-hour blocks may have as much as 12 minutes of advertisements).

In other words, over the course of 10 hours, American viewers will see approximately 3 hours of advertisements, twice what they would have seen in the sixties. Furthermore, if that sixties show is rerun today it may be cut by 9 minutes to make room for the extra advertisements. (Some modern showings of Star Trek, for example)

Back in the 1950s and 1960s, the average length of a television advertisement was one minute. As the years passed, the average length shrank to 30 seconds (and often 10 seconds, depending on the television station's purchase of ad time). However, today a majority of advertisements run in

15-second increments (often known as "hooks").

When you feel like you're being screwed, you probably are ...

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Swingman

LRod, Our TV system operates supposedly free to the watchers, ergo we pay indirectly when we purchase the advertised products. In Europe the viewer is directly taxed for his TV viewing.on some periodic basis. Shortening the the useful portion of a program and lenthening its commercial portion is the same as raising its cost. A good comparrison is keeping the price of a Hershey bar fixed but lowering its weight.

I have noticed the lessening of content matter at the expense of commercials for some time now and as a result watch less TV. I assume I'm not the only one, witness the growth of Netflix et al.

TNYW, TOH & Ask TOH are creations of Russel Morash who is entitled to sell his productions to the highest bidder. There is a tipping point however at which watchers will turn away ( they perceive their time is being squandered). By the tone of your posting I gather you are near this point.

As to the DIY network, IMHO its a few worthwile programs surrounded by a sea of mediocraties. There are a few hosts on that network who could easily be sent to fetch a pail of steam.

Remember fellow woodworkers, "There is no free lunch". If you would watch Norm for free don't expect a 100% rendition.

Joe G

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GROVER

SNIP

It isn't just NYW. I am a documentary junkie.. if it is loaded with facts, I will watch it. I do not have cable telelvision, only broadcast TV. I can get about 7-8 English speaking channels of crap for nothing, so I never saw the need to leap to 100 channels of crap for $50 a month.

So imagine my surprise when watching Discovery channel at a buddy of mine's house and seeing certain documentaries that have already aired on PBS. "New" to the Discovery channel, it is simply re-edited material from PBS. Closer attention to the end credits on some documetaries from other stations have revealed the same thing.

The documentary on the building of the Brooklyn Bridge was cut from 52 minutes to about 40. The original "Search for the Bismarck" - same thing. Digging around on the net revealed this is actually a common practice that has been going on for some time. It may already be to the point with some that the original documentary makers wouldn't recognize their own product.

Some of the documentaries I have been watching over the years are actually property of PBS of other nations and professional doc makers like National Geographic, and they have been edited for length, content and dubbed in English for presentation here.

I think the thing that would particulary annoy me about editing an instructional piece would be in my mind's eye seeing Norm (while working on a Duncan Phyfe repro) say "let's go over to the assembly table and get started. We'll need clamps, glue, and our brad nailer".

They cut to commercial. I learn all about feeling springtime fresh throughout the day (even in that "special time"), I see that most beer drinkers are either spoiled 30 somethings or real knuckleheads, or find out what's on sale at Sonic or Empire Carpets.

Back to the show. Norm is finishing (when did he assemble?) and after thirty seconds of that, he is dusting his piece (watch it...) and proclaiming all would be proud of it, then giving instructions on how to order a measured piece with drawings. Cue music, then a preview of the next 15 minute show.

Nasty. Just nasty. Another reason to stay away from TV.

Robert

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nailshooter41

Sure, there were a couple of minor cuts that I noticed at

So we shouldn't watch that episode because making the all important fingerboard was omitted? Well, I guess that makes sense on someone's planet, but not mine. Don't you have anything more important to be shocked about? I see no reason to complain, 90% of Norm is better than no Norm at all. Why not send your objections to Morash? I bet he'd also be shocked to learn of this travesty.

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ROY!

Which is pathetic, because they have more viewership and lower production costs per viewer than ever. They're just pocketing the extra.

Of course, this is all made possible by people who are still willing to watch. So if you don't like it, do what I do--TURN IT OFF!

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Steve Hall

I also have an extensive NYW video collection, captured into MPEG files, and noticed the same thing you did. IIRC, there's about a 5 second shot they cut where he plugged in his dust collector and the missing fingerboards you noticed. They snip the preview of next episode's project and add some music and a logo as they go into and come out of each commercial.

When my PBS copy is good I'll stick with that, but I do have some marginal HGTV episodes and will decide on a case-by-case basis if they are worthy of replacement, or perhaps I should edit in the missing pieces from the poor recording into the DIY capture.

Mike Brown

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mwbrown42

"Leon" wrote in news:rj1Lh.14669$ snipped-for-privacy@newssvr14.news.prodigy.net:

Woodworks was always a challenge to David Marks to show enough detail in the perhaps 18 minutes that was made available to him. Think of all the repeats after the commercial break, to bring the viewer back to the flow, just to send him away 4.3 minutes later.

BTW, he's much better at speaking in complete, well-considered sentences in real life. And I've only met him a couple of brief times.

You should see the stuff that pays the bills!

Patriarch

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Patriarch

It is not only TNYW, as others have said, but the entire HGTV approach on all its channels, however, DIY is the worst. Try finding a episode on the website after you have just watched it on line. You might find it, MAYBE, with a treasure map, blood hound and a large search party. But mostly, it just is not there.

If something pops up on DIY that is mildly interesting, and there is nothing else on, I will watch it. But frankly, neither the channel nor the website has anything to offer that you can't get better elsewhere.

Deb

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Dr. Deb

L Rod, I guess we are beginning to flog a dead horse by critisizing the DIY network. But they do deserve it. I think some of their hosts, the ones they get from central casting, know less about their subject than a pig knows about Sunday. Joe G

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GROVER

They also chopped out the part where he drilled the hole in the panel cutter and advised how to hang it somewhere convenient to encourage using it.

when you did. I'm sure you didn't have the video capture cabability back in 1989 when the PBS broadcasts started.

Just for your information, HGTV only ever rebroadcast the first 12 seasons. And they had three separate contracts--'89-'96, 97-98, and

99-2000. I don't recall the specifics, but I would be very surprised if they got through that last batch more than once before they pulled the plug a few years ago (wish I could remember when it was exactly). Consider yourself fortunate if you have many PBS versions before 2000.

The DIY contract is for at least season 13 (2001), but no earlier. That's all I've been able to find so far. I doubt you will see any earlier broadcasts from them (even though they are a subsidiary of HGTV).

I thought about the editing-in part. Probably more work than I'm interested in doing. Of course I'm working from VCR/DVR/DVD so it's probably more cumbersome than doing it all on the computer.

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LRod

Death of a thousand cuts. It was much more than the fingerboard. I also erred--it wasn't one out of four projects--I forgot the tapering jig he built. They left out one out of five. That doesn't diminish my pique.

Probably, but I also have time to be shocked about this.

I can hardly disagree there, but if you view it from the expectation of 100% of Norm then there is a problem.

It depends. If it's strictly a money thing, then I doubt he'd care a whit. If he's truly an artist, then the prospect of 20% of his work being chopped up for profit might in fact shock him.

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LRod

Last I checked it's $25 for the video + plan, I don't see where you can get just the video. And it's pretty limited as to what you can get on dvd.

I find it amazing they aren't offering whole seasons together on dvd without plans.

-Leuf

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Leuf

"Leuf" wrote

I was reading an industry report that used the Stargate (science fiction) episodes as an example for DVD pricing. It was pointed out that science fiction fans would never pay the high pricing that many TV shows demanded. So they priced them reasonably. And they are outselling many other shows. And adding nicely to somebody's bottom line.

You would think that somebody would learn from that example.

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Lee Michaels

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