On Tue, 20 Mar 2007 10:15:44 -0400, flip+@andrew.SeeEmmYou.EeeDeeYou
Depends on what you mean. They've been putting in ads in sporting
events like that for years, especially football games and racing where
they have big areas of wall to stick local and regional ads, depending
on where it's being broadcast. It would be much more difficult on a
show like NYW to insert tools or something, although they could put in
ads on the walls of Norm's workshop pretty easily, I would think.
You are correct. I doubt that even the cat, who appears to watch most of the
TV around here, would put up with that.
I wasn't sure just how much increase there was, or what the ratio of content
to ads there was these days, until your post.
I just knew there was indeed an increase. Actually, I would have sworn it
was bit higher than answer.com indicates(whose authority is unsubstantiated
in any case), but certainly not 50:50.
My wife turns the set on for Oprah and the news ... and that's two more
programs than I will turn it on for.
This week Oprah is traveling across country in a car. I've seen several
scenes as I walked through the living room. SHe's got a bit of a potty
mouth on her.
I think I like Martha Stewart better. At least she keeps her cussing off
I am disillusioned enough to know that no man's opinion on any subject
is worth (much) unless backed up with enough genuine information to make
Our TV system operates supposedly free to the watchers, ergo we pay
indirectly when we purchase the advertised products. In Europe the
viewer is directly taxed for his TV viewing.on some periodic basis.
Shortening the the useful portion of a program and lenthening its
commercial portion is the same as raising its cost. A good
comparrison is keeping the price of a Hershey bar fixed but lowering
I have noticed the lessening of content matter at the expense of
commercials for some time now and as a result watch less TV. I assume
I'm not the only one, witness the growth of Netflix et al.
TNYW, TOH & Ask TOH are creations of Russel Morash who is entitled to
sell his productions to the highest bidder. There is a tipping point
however at which watchers will turn away ( they perceive their time
is being squandered). By the tone of your posting I gather you are
near this point.
As to the DIY network, IMHO its a few worthwile programs surrounded by
a sea of mediocraties. There are a few hosts on that network who could
easily be sent to fetch a pail of steam.
Remember fellow woodworkers, "There is no free lunch". If you would
watch Norm for free don't expect a 100% rendition.
It isn't just NYW. I am a documentary junkie.. if it is loaded with
facts, I will watch it. I do not have cable telelvision, only
broadcast TV. I can get about 7-8 English speaking channels of crap
for nothing, so I never saw the need to leap to 100 channels of crap
for $50 a month.
So imagine my surprise when watching Discovery channel at a buddy of
mine's house and seeing certain documentaries that have already aired
on PBS. "New" to the Discovery channel, it is simply re-edited
material from PBS. Closer attention to the end credits on some
documetaries from other stations have revealed the same thing.
The documentary on the building of the Brooklyn Bridge was cut from 52
minutes to about 40. The original "Search for the Bismarck" - same
thing. Digging around on the net revealed this is actually a common
practice that has been going on for some time. It may already be to
the point with some that the original documentary makers wouldn't
recognize their own product.
Some of the documentaries I have been watching over the years are
actually property of PBS of other nations and professional doc makers
like National Geographic, and they have been edited for length,
content and dubbed in English for presentation here.
I think the thing that would particulary annoy me about editing an
instructional piece would be in my mind's eye seeing Norm (while
working on a Duncan Phyfe repro) say "let's go over to the assembly
table and get started. We'll need clamps, glue, and our brad nailer".
They cut to commercial. I learn all about feeling springtime fresh
throughout the day (even in that "special time"), I see that most beer
drinkers are either spoiled 30 somethings or real knuckleheads, or
find out what's on sale at Sonic or Empire Carpets.
Back to the show. Norm is finishing (when did he assemble?) and after
thirty seconds of that, he is dusting his piece (watch it...) and
proclaiming all would be proud of it, then giving instructions on how
to order a measured piece with drawings. Cue music, then a preview of
the next 15 minute show.
Nasty. Just nasty. Another reason to stay away from TV.
Sure, there were a couple of minor cuts that I noticed at
So we shouldn't watch that episode because making the all important
fingerboard was omitted? Well, I guess that makes sense on someone's
planet, but not mine. Don't you have anything more important to be
shocked about? I see no reason to complain, 90% of Norm is better than
no Norm at all. Why not send your objections to Morash? I bet he'd
also be shocked to learn of this travesty.
Death of a thousand cuts. It was much more than the fingerboard. I
also erred--it wasn't one out of four projects--I forgot the tapering
jig he built. They left out one out of five. That doesn't diminish my
Good for you.
Probably, but I also have time to be shocked about this.
I can hardly disagree there, but if you view it from the expectation
of 100% of Norm then there is a problem.
It depends. If it's strictly a money thing, then I doubt he'd care a
whit. If he's truly an artist, then the prospect of 20% of his work
being chopped up for profit might in fact shock him.
There is a lumber dealer in Dallas that has a similar entrance as well.
Think the trailer indicated she is in Boston.
If you're gonna be dumb, you better be tough
I also have an extensive NYW video collection, captured into MPEG
files, and noticed the same thing you did. IIRC, there's about a 5
second shot they cut where he plugged in his dust collector and the
missing fingerboards you noticed. They snip the preview of next
episode's project and add some music and a logo as they go into and
come out of each commercial.
When my PBS copy is good I'll stick with that, but I do have some
marginal HGTV episodes and will decide on a case-by-case basis if they
are worthy of replacement, or perhaps I should edit in the missing
pieces from the poor recording into the DIY capture.
On 18 Mar 2007 16:17:26 -0700, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
They also chopped out the part where he drilled the hole in the panel
cutter and advised how to hang it somewhere convenient to encourage
Wow. You are lucky to have been able to grab those HGTV broadcasts
when you did. I'm sure you didn't have the video capture cabability
back in 1989 when the PBS broadcasts started.
Just for your information, HGTV only ever rebroadcast the first 12
seasons. And they had three separate contracts--'89-'96, 97-98, and
99-2000. I don't recall the specifics, but I would be very surprised
if they got through that last batch more than once before they pulled
the plug a few years ago (wish I could remember when it was exactly).
Consider yourself fortunate if you have many PBS versions before 2000.
The DIY contract is for at least season 13 (2001), but no earlier.
That's all I've been able to find so far. I doubt you will see any
earlier broadcasts from them (even though they are a subsidiary of
I thought about the editing-in part. Probably more work than I'm
interested in doing. Of course I'm working from VCR/DVR/DVD so it's
probably more cumbersome than doing it all on the computer.
It is not only TNYW, as others have said, but the entire HGTV approach on
all its channels, however, DIY is the worst. Try finding a episode on the
website after you have just watched it on line. You might find it, MAYBE,
with a treasure map, blood hound and a large search party. But mostly, it
just is not there.
If something pops up on DIY that is mildly interesting, and there is nothing
else on, I will watch it. But frankly, neither the channel nor the website
has anything to offer that you can't get better elsewhere.
I guess we are beginning to flog a dead horse by critisizing the DIY
network. But they do deserve it. I think some of their hosts, the ones
they get from central casting, know less about their subject than a
pig knows about Sunday.
Last I checked it's $25 for the video + plan, I don't see where you
can get just the video. And it's pretty limited as to what you can
get on dvd.
I find it amazing they aren't offering whole seasons together on dvd
I was reading an industry report that used the Stargate (science fiction)
episodes as an example for DVD pricing. It was pointed out that science
fiction fans would never pay the high pricing that many TV shows demanded.
So they priced them reasonably. And they are outselling many other shows.
And adding nicely to somebody's bottom line.
You would think that somebody would learn from that example.
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