RE: Cudos to Apex Tool Group

[-MIKE-]

Exactly. If fun had anything at all to do with the equation, then Athletes DO deserve to make millions. :-)

[-MIKE-]

Just like the safety equipment on the assembly line on the job he says isn't any fun. :-)

[-MIKE-]

From an economics view, that is the very definition of worth.

[-MIKE-]

I think that foam grips the roof, too, and keeps them from sliding down.

[Bill]

The problem getting that is that the agencies that accredit schools aren't measuring vocational skills. Put welding on the list, and they wood have welding at every school--and in short order!

[krw]

In the late '70s and early '80s, IBM was retraining every technician and secretary to become a programmer. The training was pretty intense and there was no guarantee of a job if you failed the course but they got a *lot* of programmers out of the deal.

[krw]

Precisely. Society works best when each makes such decisions for himself. Freedom is good.

[krw]

But you can bet the boss supplies it.

[Max]

Smoke signals, jungle drums? ;-)

[Max]

Exactly.

[krw]

Then so do I! :-(

;-)

[Ed Pawlowski]

No, so I got an education and went in a different direction, though in manufacturing. Kwityerbitchin and do the same if you don't like it.

You deserve a safe working place and a fair wage for the work you do. Nothing more.

[krw]

If you've accepted the wage, it's fair. It takes two to have a contract.

[Markem]

Our garbage man makes about 30 K a year, now mind you it is Southern Illinois.

[Max]

And the trade schools would be bitching that you're taking their income away.

[Ed Pawlowski]

The pay for athletes can be justified the same way. The owners are often billionaires and the team evidently brings in the dollars. Unfortunately, dad can't afford to take the kids to the game, but many times they are sold out.

I guess as long as people pay the price and buy the beer it will continue.

Not to mention that the Kardashians truly deserve the big buck for their contribution to our society.

[Ed Pawlowski]

That is the part that can be difficult to quantify. Sure, people will go because Clint Eastwood stars in a movie, but would it be just as good with Bob Westwood who earns $20 an hour?

[Leon]

Well substitute any of those and I feel that with varying degrees all provide more of a service to society than than very highly paid game players and entertainers.

I totally understand and agree. And I don't condemn those that pursue those goals. We probably have the best system in that it lets us go in the direction that we want to go. BUT it is not the perfect system. Think about this, in all actuality entertainers/game players are getting paid more each year and the educators teaching our children are being paid less. Do we really want to give more recognition and pay to those that entertain and don't educate our children? I think it is pretty obvious that kids education and aptitude today are farther behind than kids 40 years ago. Not all of them but the percentages are growing. We seem to have a snow ball effect going on.

And anything socialism is out the door. Actually anything that any government does to guide our thoughts is out the door. I just think that we as "consumers" should rethink what we are spending our money on. It does not bother me that anyone makes what they want for a living so much as the value the consumer puts on some professions compared to others. You know if the government actually cared about education it would make things better but the dumber and more dependent the population is the easier it is to get the population to go along with bigger government.

[Leon]

And that is exactly what I am saying. I don't want anyone making decisions for me but I think it would be better if we had better education so that we could make better decisions. As it is our economy and government spending is NOT good. If the population put more emphasis on education most everything would be better. Unfortunately our culture puts more value/recognition/hero status on things that are less important than other things. Right now we are in an "ignorance is bliss" scenario.

[Leon]

And that falls true in a "It's all about me" society.

Missing it.