Building your own is always a trip. Looks like a nice quiet area for a
LOL... reminds me of a comedian I was watching on TV a few years back. He
was telling about a neighbor that let his dog out at night for the sole
purpose of "barking" the place up.
Why are all the tubafores standing on their tippytoes? DSCF0032
What's the orange tubing, floor heat? Seems sparse. Or rebar for
stressing the concrete? IMG_0735
Why by a lot in a tract vs wide open spaces, on a hillock?
Are you in the floodplain? I couldn't tell where your lot was from
Do you live in Kansas? That's some flatland there, ain't it?
Oh, Sugarland, TX. Same/same.
Hurricane-proof house? I don't see as -any- ties or shear walls. I
thought I'd see tons for that dangerous kind of area. Your tubasixes
are casually toenailed to the sill. Scary. Tie that puppy down, boy!
Experience is a good teacher, but she send in terrific bills.
-- Minna Thomas Antrim
It does ... but you have to be informed before you flap your trap.
You guys can laugh, but drywall can actually be an element in a properly
designed shearwall (albeit a weak one, but it does have shear resistance
which adds to the total effect), particularly in a hurricane prone area,
but not so much in earthquake zones.
I wouldn't trust the stuff (though I live in an old house, and so
therefore consequently do) for a shear wall. I think it's
particularly bad for cyclic loading, like you said, in seismic zones.
Gypsum shear walls for residential construction have largely gone the
way of the dodo with the "new and improved" building code. Using
gypsum for the shear wall would cause a typical plan examiner to
immediately break out the red stamp unless there were specific
structural notation/calculation from an engineer.
SHEEEEESSSH! No where did I say, or imply, that drywall was sufficient
for a properly designed shear wall and that you should "trust" it in
To intimate that is ridiculous.
What I said is that drywall can be an element in the cumulative shear
resistance of a shear wall.
Of that there is NO question.
Did you take an extra sensitivity pill this morning? I made no
comment on your beliefs, I did not read any implications into your
comments, nor did I infer any. I merely gave my professional opinion
on gypsum as a shear wall component. I realize Leon is your BFF, but
you probably shouldn't go looking for battles where there aren't any.
Insulated cable for stressing the slab. About 60 of them, they run down
inside the footings also.
Looked into that extensively many years ago, bought the land and never wrnt
past that point due to job relocations. It is still appealing but this hose
was literally the right price, about 25% less that what we would have had to
pay about 6 months ago.
That is the first thing I look for, we are not even in the 500 year flood
plane. Our current house is, we had flood insurance for about 25 years in
our old house and Omaha sold out to Fidelity for flood insurance. Fedelity
did not observe the law and canceled our insurance and demanded we pay
$3,600 per year for flood insurance, we had been paying $230. I dropped the
insurance for a few years, got an elevation survey and now pay $700 per
year. We should have been grandfathered-in and my attourney said we can
fight and will win but it is going to cost you much more.
Was the Sugar Land area, now the North Richmond TX area, just west of Sugar
Land and just south of Katy, Tx.
Actually this area only sees a hurricane on average about once every 25
years, we had one 2 years ago previous to that in 1983 and 1962. The new
house is rated for 125 mile per hour winds and even with a Cat 4 hurricane
at the coast, 60 miles inland the winds are much less. We have much more of
a threat from flooding and oddly enough tornados al thoufh not the big ones.
Old house is marginally closer tot he gulf and had faired well during the
hurricanes that it has gone through. If I were much closer to the coast I
would be much more concerned.
I'm still wondering about the garage doing double duty for your woodworking.
Considering the amount and quality of woodworking you do, I'm surprised you
didn't organize a dedicated workshop. Obviously, you've considered it all
and the garage is all you really need. Guess it's just me and my preferences
getting in the way.
Too bad about the old land. RE the new lot: steenkin' HOA, tract, and
flat area probably all go together to reduce the value.
Too bad it isn't 150 years ago and you could settle it out of court
with one .56 Spenser round, huh?
Fort Stinkin' Desert! No, wait, that was Phoenix.
Good, but I'd have spent the extra few hundred to tie that puppy down
were it my new pride and joy. YMOV
Experience is a good teacher, but she send in terrific bills.
-- Minna Thomas Antrim
Actually this house is the same I was refering to but in a different and
IMHO better location. That along with slow new home sales, except in this
area apparently. The builder has been in this particular location since
late August. They have completed 4 spec homes and sold 2 of them, is
building and sold 2 made to order homes. Currently there 8 spec homes under
construction. They plan to build 50 or so homes to finish the community
Houston is in a very unique location along the gulf coast, It is a rare
event to have a hurricane strike directly and or get much wind if any from a
close hitting storm. Five years ago about a month after Katrina hurricane
Rita was aimed for Houston and there was a mass exodus. The storm ended up
hitting about 60-80 miles to our east and IIRC it only got a little windy,
it was basically a non event.
I grew up in Corpus Christi, about 200 miles south and literally on the
water. While I lived there and during the period from 1962 to 1971 I went
through 3 major hurricanes. Only 1 of those storms was a direct hit, the
other two were at least 100 miles away and those storms delt a major blow in
Corpus Christi. I think because Houston is inland about 60 miles and is
sort of in a bend along the coast line the winds deminish quite rapidly when
the storms hit land.
You have to draw the line some where and those things don't help when a
tornato hits the house. Typically most damage during a hurricane is not
caused directly by the hurricane winds rather from the debris that is flying
arouned and as swingman will attest to, rising water is the biggest threat.
Again hurricane straps don't help in that instance. Additionally hurricanes
in this region typically spawn multiple tornatos and again the straps are
not going to do much good against those winds and or micro bursts. If I
lived closer to he water, I would opt for the straps.
That's good...for you, but not the inline folks.
Yeah, I forgot about that. It's just a few miles which take the wind
out of a hurricane's sails, isn't it?
Gotcha. Hey, structured wiring is a great tradeoff if you're not in a
windy corridor. Enjoy it!
If we attend continually and promptly to the little that
we can do, we shall ere long be surprised to find how
little remains that we cannot do. -- Samuel Butler
<load Rant Master diatribe engine>
There are innumerable old houses that have withstood hurricanes just
fine, thank you very much, before the advent of the "new and improved
(now less nutritious!) code". You're buying into the insurance
lobby's efforts and scare-mongering in general. Leon had it right.
You get hit by a tornado or a serious flood, and, no matter how well
you built it, well...it was a nice house, wasn't it?
A hurricane is no great shakes unless the house was substandard and
shoddily built, which was exactly the situation with a lot of those
Florida homes that got blown up. Stapled shingles (with a lot of
missing fasteners), unbraced gable walls, and just shit construction
The insurance industry saw an opportunity to tighten their belt (which
means the noose around the homeowner's neck) and pushed to have the
code "fixed" to prevent them paying out...errr...the homeowner
sustaining a loss. Now there's this ridiculous impact code thing for
windows in areas that are hardly at risk. I'm in NY, and I've
experienced a few hurricanes, and many high winds. The old houses,
without all of the metal strapping and bullshit window code stuff,
aren't flying apart. Biggest problem are trees hitting the house.
I'm surprised that the insurance industry and the scare-mongers
haven't outlawed trees within 100' of a house!
When the big wind does come, the insurance companies are looking for
ways to not pay. They're building in new and improved ways to not
pay. You opted for the $250 window instead of the $1500 impact one?
Sorry, no dough for you! When you start adding up the cost of all of
that bullshit, and the real risk of your particular home getting
blasted, it's a better move to not carry the insurance and assume the
negligible risk yourself.
Unfortunately, since they were able to get all of this nonsense
incorporated into the code, you don't have a choice if you're pulling
a permit and getting inspections. You pay _and_ you lose! How
convenient. Must be nice to drum up business by selling stuff that
isn't needed by scaring the shit out of people and buying off code
officials with dinners, vacations and hookers.
Welcome to the United Corporations of America, backed by a Congress
which keeps getting itself re-elected by an ignorant, easily manipulated
electorate. A land where the "right" of _everyman_ to vote will be its
eventual kiss of death.
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