Do you care where your tools are manufactured?

Shale is far too expensive to process efficiently. It only makes sense if gas is going for $7-10 a gallon.

A Prius is a damn ugly car, actually. The fact is, a hybrid might help slow the use of gasoline, when gas runs out entirely or gets too expensive, a hybrid isn't going to do any good. The reality is that we need to look for a way to rid ourselves of gasoline altoghether.

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Brian Henderson
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Perhaps but we are already hapf way there.

Gasoline is not going to run out. But there needs to be alternatives/competition to bring the price back in line.

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Leon

Buy time? I recall us being out of gasoline 30 years ago and now we have more than we ever had. ;~)

If you were in a

Until the oil companies have the fear of running out and seriousely looking into alternatives oil will continue to be the king. So far it is way too easy and profitable.

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Leon

Not to mention that disposing of Prius batteries, after their useful life has passed, is going to be a nightmare. But I do think electrical solutions are the way to go, either through electrolysis to make hydrogen or by charging nano-technology battery- like packs. The source for this magic electrical juice would be a variety of generation devices, with the base-loads carried by a renewed approach to nuclear plants. What-the-hell, the distribution network is in place already. I anticipate some serious progress coming out of France in fusion development.

That whole bio-diesel 'fata morgana' is plain silly.

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Robatoy

Do you do anything but whine?

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J. Clarke

LOL..about as cool as one of these:

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Robatoy

Some claim making the Prius battery is an even bigger problem:

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Doug Winterburn

Same, but different, argument about bio fuels. The NET energy is negative in some cases.

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Robatoy

Two frozen rubber wheels on black ice...now THAT is efficient.

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Robatoy

Not to mention driving up the cost of food in countries dependent on corn...

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Doug Winterburn

Damn, I agree with you. Now I need to reexamine my whole worldview.

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J. Clarke

Actually when I was living in an apartment there were times when paddling the bike across the iced-up parking lot to the plowed road was more efficient than jacking the car up and putting the chains on it so that it could pull its way out of the ice depressions around the wheels. That of course was when the car was an econobox and not a 4WD SUV.

I've encountered black on a public road very rarely, yes it happens but not often and generally shortly after a snow day.

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J. Clarke

There aren't that many--rice and wheat are the major grains for most of the world--corn as table food as opposed to livestock fodder is largely an American (north and south) phenomenon--poor silly furriners don't know what's good.

But you can also get alcohol from potatoes, wheat, beets, sugar cane, and many other plants, basically anything with enough sugar to support fermentation.

All thinking small though--the high tech approach would be a bioengineered tree that one taps to get diesel directly--one suspects that such a thing could be bioengineered once biotech matures a bit more. But talk about forest fires . . .

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J. Clarke

Now don't get too excited, I'll be wrong again soon enough. The energy problems will be solved soon too, as soon as the pipeline from Iraq to Haifa is built. THEN we'll have a distribution network the world can trust.

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Robatoy

I couldn't agree more. Where and who did the Chinese copy to produce cheap shit on a unlevel playing field! And we are allowing American business to sell our future down the drain for profits! How will our kids feel when the only jobs available here are at third world wages. American ingenuity created most of the products available and then were copied in "sweat shops" around the world. The Chinese have been buying American debt for years and as soon as we can't buy their products any longer they can trash the dollar and we will be in an endless economic tailspin that will make mexico look like the golden era! Keep on with that "couldn't care less" and drive more nails in the inevitable coffin. I would hate to admit I was that ill informed!!

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Digger

Strong stuff, but right on.

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Robatoy

Yes, God told me last night Dick and Bush doing what they can to suck as much as possible before they leave office.

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Joe

But its a good stick to beat the populace with, here you can drive a toyotter prissyarse in London without paying the congestion charge, but how many people can afford one? Not many! Then there's the displaced environmental damage caused by building them, disposal is just as bad, replacement batteries 3-5 years as well add's to the problem. You can't carry much in one, their heavy for size and can't tow a trailer either. My Diesel 110 Land-Rover is 22 years old, has contributed less polution during its lifetime per year/mile than a prissyarse ever will and is almost the ulitmate rebuildable and recycleable vehicle on the road, can carry large loads and tow upto 3.5 Tons, very useful for a woodworker!

Niel, back to lurk mode...

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badger.badger

Be people trying to look like they can afford it will be stupid...

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B A R R Y

The laws did change, either this year or in tax year 2006. I seem to remember hearing that a Section 179 truck depreciation deduction went to

10000 pounds GVW.

I don't own anything that qualifies right now, so I', not positive.

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B A R R Y

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