For every one of these coming-miracles you hear about only a fraction
actually make it. Saw-stop's project was many times easier to pull off
than a car which actually meets a rigorous set of safety standards is.
In the end the Saw-stop folks were able to add their nifty device to the
product of a machinery contract production shop in Asia. 95% of the
product is pretty much the same technology one finds in a 40 year old
Delta Unisaw. Safety, uptime and reliability requirements are mostly
set in the minds of customers, not by rigorous goverment test
procedures. The point is that there are few real parallels between the
Zap and Saw-stop companies.
I hope Zap pulls it off, but the odds are against them. Several years
back I toured the Corbin factory where the "revolutionary" Electric
Sparrow was to be made. They actually got about 300 of them onto the
market but the company went down in a flurry of recalls and lawsuits.
Lots of upset dealers and investors who had put up money and gotten none
of it back. Sparrow never made it past the three wheel (no safety
testing needed) stage. After going bust another guy bought the remains.
He went bust and then a small outfit in Phoenix picked up the pieces
and I think is still plugging away making Sparrows at almost $30k each,
which is crazy money for a golf cart missing a wheel.
They're claiming a lot of things, they're just not doing so well in
backing up those claims. Most of what they're using are miniscule
little scooter-type vehicles that will never survive in the real
Let us know when they can run cars that are already on the road with
Maybe I was unclear, I was talking about the same sort of cars you can
buy off any car lot in the country. Not a little 3-wheel piece of
crap, an American family car that seats 4-5 people, can carry your
groceries home, etc. That's not what they're building right now.
You need to study the facts behind the hype.
Zap claims "over 100,000 units sold". Guess what, the vast majority of
those were electric scooters and go-kart type vehicles. They have yet
to make a single car if by car one means a vehicle licensed and
registered as a car. Their only "cars" are three wheeled vehicles which
are licensed and registered as motorcycles to avoid safety rules.
Zap regularly announces great plans, but so far has yet to produce an
actual car or truck. Actually they don't MAKE anything as all of their
products to date are labels slapped on Chinese products.
But its a good stick to beat the populace with, here you can drive a
toyotter prissyarse in London without paying the congestion charge, but
how many people can afford one? Not many!
Then there's the displaced environmental damage caused by building them,
disposal is just as bad, replacement batteries 3-5 years as well add's
to the problem.
You can't carry much in one, their heavy for size and can't tow a
My Diesel 110 Land-Rover is 22 years old, has contributed less polution
during its lifetime per year/mile than a prissyarse ever will and is
almost the ulitmate rebuildable and recycleable vehicle on the road, can
carry large loads and tow upto 3.5 Tons, very useful for a woodworker!
Niel, back to lurk mode...
Got to drive the then new Tundra in September of '06 at a press
conference. That one was immense, had the immense gas V8, and the
power was almost frightening. No quality comments apply, as the
interior trim and other bits were not yet set, but it pulled like a
train. They did announce, in response to questions, that a diesel
would be forthcoming in a year or two, but gave no details at all.
On Sun, 25 Nov 2007 21:22:59 GMT, firstname.lastname@example.org (Doug Miller) wrote:
Unless it's a Chevy S-10 or blazer with 4 wheel drive..
Instead of planning the filter on top, Chevy discovered that with 4x4, the
transfer case interfered with the oil filter..
Redesign the engine or T-case? Hell no..
They put an "adapter" on the oil filter port and ran lines to and from the new
filter mount under the hood..
As a result, the most often question inmost Chevy 4x4 groups is "how to fix
leaking oil filter lines"
My kid's blew out on him on the freeway.. fun..
Oh.. AFAIK, they never did do it right.. my '95 and a friends 97 blazer still
have it and we both carry a $100 replacement kit for when it goes..
Please remove splinters before emailing
They don't change because it is done right the first time. ;~)
If you recall the old Oldsmobile diesels engines back in the late 70's and
early 80's, the filter system was totally bogus and was the source of 50% of
its problems. The very last year the Olds diesel was built and used in the
early mid 80's they put an elaborate fuel filter system on. It should have
been put on the second year after all the problems in the first year.
On Sun, 25 Nov 2007 21:17:52 GMT, "Bonehenge (B A R R Y)"
Yep, isn't that delightful. As one who has always changed oil myself,
I really like that. I did have to learn (the hard way) that the
"catch"tray around the filter will not actually hold the entire
contents of the filter ( I would have bet good money it would) and
that one should pull the drain plug and place a container beneath
first, but after that lesson, I'm happy.
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