I have about $
I have about $500. to $600. to blow on a table saw I was at the local HD and
saw a RIDGID 10 In. Cast Iron Table Saw Model TS3650 did some research on
the web sounds like a nice unit. I was woundering if you all know of a
better one for the money. It will be in a stationary place.
The herculift works well. The motor is adequate. It cuts well enough.
The downside: A 2.5" dust port, not a 4", ligher trunions, service and
parts issues are not very good, the fence is quite light (will it
survive a decade of heavy use?), 3rd party add ons are harder to find,
etc. All in all, for $550 or so it is a fine saw if you are not a heavy
user and can live with the minor problems. I am not sure that there are
"better" ones. The Jet has advantages, as does the Delta but they cost
more and have shorter fences. Griz is nice as well and a bargain. My
prediction: If you but it you will probable be satisfied but will not
really love it.
Personally, I'd see if I could find a deal on a Delta Contractors saw.
I think you will find it to be a little more beefy and while the fence
could be better you can always add a better fence at a later date.
You should be able to get very close to the $ 600 figure.
I found two Delta 10" Contractor's saws
in the local advertiser. Think one was
about $125. Needed a motor, of course
I have several 5 hp single phase 220v
motors for $137 so the total price isn't
too bad for a used saw.
Lowe's has the Jet JWTS-10JF for $598, less 20% for a pre-tax price of
$478. Factor in the $100 Lowe's gift card rebate on top of the 20%
discount and you're under $400. I don't know how it compares to the
RIGID but the price sounds good to me.
You guys go on and on about the "RIDGID" CRAP!!! I advise anyone
wanting to purchase ANY tool to do their homework first. Ridgid has a
forum on thier website. READ THE REVIEWS!!! Most people outside the
powertool industry don't realize that Ridgid "powertools" are NOT
owned or operated by the Ridgid pipe tool company. Ridgid powertools
are imported (from the lowest bidder in CHINA) by a company by the
name of TTI. TTI leases the Ridgid name from the pipe tool company.
Check out the local service. This thing is a piece of machinery just
like a car. It will eventually fail. When it does, where will you get
it fixed and how long will it take to get it fixed? The last thing you
need is to be in the middle of a job and have your tool crap out on
you and the repair guy tells you it's going to be a MINIMUM of 3
MONTHS before he even looks at it. This is the case here in New
Orleans where there is only one repair shop for everything south of
Baton Rouge. He's in no hurry to get your tool done because Home Depot
only reimburses warranty claims to authorized service centers ONCE A
YEAR!!! All that aside, Ridgid and Ryobi are HOME DEPOT ONLY TOOLS!!!
Home Depot has an exclusive market for these tools. You can't go to
the local tool house and compair prices....THEY DON'T HAVE THE TOOL!!!
Home Depot sells the "select" tools from the major manufacturers i.e.
DeWalt, Makita, Milwaukee, Porter Cable using a 6% markup. This I know
because I sell tools and I see the price lists. NO BUSINESS CAN
OPERATE ON A 6% MARKUP!! Where do you think they make their money? On
the Ridgid, Ryobi, Work-Force tools, the $6.82 3/4" shackels, the
$1.26 O-rings for your faucets. Do what you want with your money, but
be advised, Home Depot and Lowes and all the "Big Box" stores aren't
there for you to save money. They're there to make money. And, they're
making it hand over fist at the expense of the un-educated and
snip of lotsa nearly accurate stuff.
Yeah. You see YOUR price lists and think they're the be-all and end-all.
But you're there JUST to save the public money? No business is going to last if
it doesn't make money. Even little one man stores have to feed, clothe and
house the owner, so there to make money.
"One of the common denominators I have found is that expectations rise above
that which is expected." George W. Bush
On 14 Jan 2005 08:35:38 GMT, firstname.lastname@example.org (Charlie Self)
My price lists are not the end all and be all. I'm sure when you get
as big as Home Depot and Lowes there is another SMALL price break.
No, Charlie, I'm here to make money just like everyone else with one
exception; I'm not offering MY INFERIOR in-house brand to my customers
at the same price as my Porter Cable, Makita and DeWalt. I'm also
trying my damnedest to educate the public. See my followup to Barry's
How come the two little guys I shop at beat HD on this stuff every day?
Do these store owners live in tents, out back? Are they registered as a
501(C) charity? Do the store employees donate time?
You need a new price list.
I never said that Home Depot sells everything at a 6% markup.
As for the two tool houses you frequent, no, their employees (the few
they have) don't donate their time. The owners don't live in tents.
And they are not charities. I never implied that they were.
I do, however, have a few questions for you.
Where do you do your comparison shopping on Ridgid and Ryobi?
What advantage would any company have in selling their product to only
If Home Depot is the only retailer of Ridgid and Ryobi what would be
the purpose in selling those brands at a 6% markup?
Are you a contractor?
Do you sell tools?
Do you work for Home Depot?
Do you work for TTI?
Do you work for Ridgid, Ryobi, or Milwaukee?
How many different models of the major manufacturers do your 2 little
How many tools do your 2 little guys have that Home Depot doesn't
What other services do your 2 little guys offer that Home Depot
Look, people, I'm not here trying to get you to buy any particular
brand of tool. Ridgid, Ryobi, Craftsman, Chicago Electric, Emmerson,
and any of these other cheaply made power tools have their place. That
is, in the hands of homeowners and not in the hands of contractors and
serious woodworkers. I really believe that Home Depot doesn't care one
bit how much they rip off the american public. I know (and the
knowledge is out there) these lesser, cheaply made tools (ESPECIALLY
Ridgid) are in some cases being posed as equal in if not superior in
quality to the tools put out by the major manufacturers. Ridgid power
tools are of the same caliber as CHEAP Black and Decker tools with one
exception.... Black and Decker knows their $39.00 circular saw is a
$39.00 circular saw and they sell it as such.
I don't. I compare them on a tool by tool basis to other brands. So
far I've bought one tool, a Ridgid jointer. The jointer served we
well, and I sold to another person here on the 'wreck, after buying a
DJ-20 from on of my "little guys" for $1099.
Why would I care?
There isn't any.
I understood your post to say that HD was selling DeWalt, PC, etc... at
a 6% markup.
See for yourself:
In store prices are often lower than those on the sites.
I'm not the only 'wrecker who patronizes these guys. FWIW, both are
across the street from HD stores.
Only web service and direction to a tool repair shop for out of warranty
Smart users do homework before they buy, no?
I snipped some of your other questions for brevity.
Thanks Barry for proving my point!!!
The other guys don't live in tents or work for free or own a charity.
Because they have the other tools and services that HD doesn't.
By the way I did notice that you completely avoided my last paragraph
in my reply.
The HD brand tools (Ridgid and Ryobi) ARE NOT UP TO SNUFF with
the major manufacturers.
I'm sorry you feel the need to get so defensive about spending your
hard earned money on something a REAL tool person thinks is crap.
I'm sure you also get defensive when you throw a bar-b-que and have
Wal-mart brand pickels that you paid Vlassic prices for and your
brother-in-law (who happens to be a chef) picks on you for your
ignorance and arrogance.
Unfortunately, I'm totally confused what your point actually is.
Probably because I didn't feel it was relevant in my reply.
At certain price points, they certainly are, at others they're not.
When I bought my one Ridgid tool, a 6" jointer, I felt the $379 price
was an decent value. I still do.
Ridgid's new 5" ROS is a good looking tool at it's price point. I've
never bought a Ryobi tool, as one has yet to fit into my plan.
My General 650, DJ-20, X5 band saw, Veritas & Lie Nielsen planes,
collection of Bosch and PC routers, PC & Makita sanders, Makita and
DeWalt drills, Senco nail guns, Hirsch chisels, Starrett measuring and
marking tools, etc... are all crap? You're right, _I DID NOT_ know
I appreciate the education.
As a tech. for the past 14 years working for both DeWalt and Makita
and repairing ALL major manufacturers tools, and as a professional
woodworker, and now as a salesman and repair tech. for a local
distributor in the New Orleans area, I think I may have a little more
expertise in the power tool industry than you.
And again, maybe you shouldn't be so arrogant and so pompas.
END OF DISCUSSION!!!
Naaaah ... you just think it is.
Question: On your informed crap-o-meter, please rank, in best to worst, the
B&D, Ridgid, Ryobi power hand tools
... which seem to be favorite the choices of the yuppie housewife in her
Reason I ask is that someone fitting that description is asking me, and I
don't generally buy those brands (except my older Ridgid planer, which I
basically stole, and is still going strong (knock, knock))
Thanks for the public service, cher. ;>)
To the question of margin, Usenet clearly does not understand the
dynamics of a competitive marketplace. Let us assume that Ryobi has no
sustainable cost advantage over other manufacturers. The price
(margin) that can be charged at retail, therefore, is constrained by
the retail prices (margins) of competitive product. Having the
exclusive ability to sell a product does allow one to set prices freely
without fear of price-shopping on any exact model. Selling that
product into a competitive market against more widely-available lines
means that unless there is a premium value to the brandname, unlikely
in the case of Ryobi, then the profit-maximizing price will be the same
as if the product was not sold exclusively by a single retailer.
Another issue related to this discussion is the price pressure the big boxes
can exert on the manufacturers. While the spread between the big box's
retail price and other sellers cost may appear to be trivial (e.g., 5-10%)
it is likely the big box extracted price concessions from the manufactuers
that yields them a spread of 20% or more. Home Depot and WalMart are two
widely cited companies who exert this kind of pressure.
One example I'm familiar with due to geographic proximity press and knowing
one of the former executives is Troy Built garden equipment. Troy Built
filed for bankruptcy reorganization a few years ago because they gave such
big price concessions to Home Depot that they were cutting their own throat.
What they didn't understand was that not all business is worth having...
they were far better off selling through their traditional channels and
doing lower volume. As I understand it, doing the higher volume to meet the
HD contract demands raised their marginal costs and made them unprofitable.
Another example is Rubbermaid which was forced into bankruptcy by their
deal w/ WalMart...when WM went to China, Rubbermaid couldn't match price
and lost the shelf space--then they could no longer support the
ramped-up manufacturing space and there they went... :(
Buy WalMart (and other boxeers) and support the Communist Capitalist
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