A Very Short Magazine Review: Woodworking For Women

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Was that JIGS ?? or JUGS??

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On 10 May 2004 20:21:49 -0700, snipped-for-privacy@hotmail.com (Mike) wrote:

I've not seen the magazine in question, much less read it. But, don't forget there's a vast difference between ignorance and stupidity. The referenced question arises out of ignorance, but we all started in that state. Seriously, the very first time you came in contact with a woodworking tool, did you know what a jig was and how, or under what circumstances, one could/should be used - or the difference between a jig and a fixture?
(I assume the questioner was a "she", based on the magazine's reported focus.) The fact that she is asking the question implies a laudable attempt to increase her knowledge. Whether or not the magazine is laughable depends on how the question is/was handled.
I suspect the (probably male) "woodworkers (she) met recently" were either showing off or didn't recognize her low level of knowledge. She should have asked the question of those "woodworkers" at the time the subject was raised and perhaps would have in an all-female environment. The forum she chose may be more comfortable for her as it offers a degree of anonymity and protection from embarrassment that would not be available in a face to face conversation.
Lots of assumptions, postulations, suppositions, and WAGs in the above, but the point is, the magazine has an opportunity to offer some very basic, entry level education in a non-threatening, non-intimidating forum. I further suspect that, if the magazine does that successfully, the readership will fairly quickly outgrow the magazine. But, there is nothing wrong with that since those lady's daughters will be coming along behind them. True, the same thing could be done in any basic, entry level magazine not specifically aimed at women. But, as Renata mentioned, there are obvious, and not so obvious, differences between the male and female of our species. If such a magazine can appeal to those differences and attract or retain ladies in this avocation, aren't we all the richer for it?
Tom Veatch Wichita, KS USA
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wrote:

that's the cool thing about the net. a dripping wet greenhorn woodworker can lurk a forum or three until they're ready to ask a question or three, and then can use any name that seems ike it would get the answers needed from that particular group. hey, who's to say that someone asking how to cut a board under the name Floyd Barker isn't actually a 17 year old girl?

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On Tue, 11 May 2004 22:39:14 -0700, snipped-for-privacy@igetenoughspamalreadythanks.com wrote:

I couldn't agree more.
But that does assume that the "dripping wet greenhorn" is aware the forum exists. It could be more likely the 17 year old girl will see the magazine on a newsstand than happen across an appropriate forum on the net. Trying to remember how I discovered the wRECk and I'm drawing a complete blank. I'm pretty sure I was aware of various woodworking magazines before I found this (and other) network discussion groups.
Tom Veatch Wichita, KS USA
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wrote:

me too, but that may be a generational thing. 17 year olds today may be as or more attuned to the net for information than magazines....
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Tom Veatch wrote:

In this particular case I think the question was contrived by the magazine. It was a chance for the magazine to act as the house organ for their advertiser Woodcraft.
Not saying what you had said isn't true.
UA100
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UA100 responds:

Unfortunately, the answers are almost as broad as are the questions in this one. "Quite simply, a jig is anything used to make repetitive parts. Typically a jig guides a router bit through a specific, repeatable cutting action, allowing you to make identical pieces." Jigs may or may not make reproduction of identical parts possible. They do make repetitive identical cuts possible, but there is no need for the cuts to form "parts." A good example for my point is a dado jig for a router. Hell, even a rabbeting bit is a jig all on its own. It forms ledges on parts, not parts. THe rabbeting ledge on a jointer might be considered a jig, as well.
Typically, a jig can be used with almost any tool, not just a router. Anyone with a jig for their tabllesaw, raise your hand. For your dirll press? For your shaper? For your bandsaw?
The original question should have been reduced in scope, giving it some focus, and then an answer would have been possible, and easier to make clear.
Charlie Self "In our civilization, and under our republican form of government, intelligence is so highly honored that it is rewarded by exemption from the cares of office." Ambrose Bierce
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I've always considered a jig to be just a home made tool designed to let you accomplish a task easier than it would normally be.
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Upscale notes:

That's true for most, but not all. Dovetail jigs are but one example, as are a wide variety of others.
Jigs are designed to make repetitive tasks easier and more accurate, or, as in the case of crosscut sleds, to make individual actions easier and more accurate--and, often, safer.
Charlie Self "In our civilization, and under our republican form of government, intelligence is so highly honored that it is rewarded by exemption from the cares of office." Ambrose Bierce
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Upscale wrote:

Turn that into a full page and you could qualify for Lori's job which looks to be writing contrived Q&A's for Wooddorking Wimmen.
UA100
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Well, I did assume the question was honest, but I have been known to display an astonishing amount of naivety. I've got to work on that. It makes me an easy target for trolls.
Tom Veatch Wichita, KS USA
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Tom Veatch wrote:

Trolls I would worry nothing about. What you really want to watch for are Nigerians needing a place to stash some extra cash.
UA100, who doesn't actually mind the Nigerians needing a bank account for stashing extra cash onna 'count of it only affects those at the shallow end of the gene pool...
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Naive, I may be. But I don't think my Mama raised any _stupid_ kids. I got one of those Nigerian Scam thingies the other day from someplace other than Nigeria. Don't recall of which country he was some high-ranking minister, but I did notice it wasn't Nigeria. If it ain't from Nigeria, it must be OK, huh?
Tom Veatch Wichita, KS USA
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Tom Veatch wrote:

A'yup.
And the lumber car, was real.
UA100
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wrote:

I'm still waiting for those guys to deposit the million in my accounts. I've sent the data several times!
Barry
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Best post I've read in this thread.
When you first started out with this wonderful craft. Did you know what a jig was, or what a dado was or what tool to use for what job. Did you know the difference between a finishing sander or and orbital sander, or to make it convenient to make sliding tables for your TS.
I think not. Everybody has to start someplace to learn anything.
I see a lot of questions in here asked by Men. Some with some knowledge , others with none. But you answer their questions , with honesty and helpful answers.
Why pick on females. It is widely known that women have more patience than men. If we can raise kids and put up with men. We can surely learn woodwoking.
The differnece between Men and Boys are the size and cost of their Toys.
Pat.
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Pat wrote:

Generally, yes - would you expect otherwise?

Are you implying that the typical response to a female poster is of an unfriendly mien? If so, then I'll have to disagree. Most of the male woodworkers I know (and that's nearly /all/ of the woodworkers I know) are pleased to have /anyone/ share their interests and enthusiasm for crafting useful/beautiful things from wood.
My observations here (and in usenet in general) have led me to conclude that it is the mouthy, judgmental, and /wrong/ posters who get picked on and draw the huge majority of flamings.
[The "rule of thumb" that's served me well has been to keep my mouth shut when I'm not reasonably sure of my facts, speak up when I can offer help (or a "well-done"), and to be wary of being tempted to put down any person, idea, or creation.]
It may be widely known to you that women have more patience than men; but my experience has shown me that while *some* women do indeed have more patience than *some* men, it's also true that *some* men have more patience than *some* women.
[I more than suspect that men and women are "wired" differently in some ways; and that these differences provide strengths for both genders. For example, (in general) women seem able to multi-task better than men. This seems to be an advantage for women in the same way that it is an advantage for men to be able narrow their concentration to focus all of their abilities on a single task. As best I can tell, all of these "wiring" differences are complementary; and it seems foolish to pronounce one or the other trait of the complementary pair "best". YMMV]
If you can do an above average job of raising kids and putting up with men, then you have my respect and a measure of admiration that depends strongly on how far above average that is - which is no different than my yardstick for men who do an above average job of raising kids and putting up with women. (-:
None of which has anything to do with learning woodworking. It's not a gender-dependent activity. Making a serious attempt to make gender an issue in a woodworking forum probably won't produce much in the way of either respect or admiration.

Ok; I'll take the bait and suggest that in time you'll learn that the difference between /adults/ and /children/ (of either gender) is their capability to do good *and* their capability to do harm.
If you read "the wwrec" for a while, you'll discover that there's a significant number of "neander" woodworkers who have a passion for working with hand tools (frequently shop-made or restored); and that members of this newsgroup, both "neanders" and "normites", claim and award a certain amount of status in the form of "gloats" and "neeners" - both of which have to do with acquiring requisite tools or materials at *low* cost.
I've written more than I'd intended. You may find browsing one of the archive sites for alt.binaries.pictures.woodworking of some interest. I was impressed by how many (nearly all!) of the most beautiful woodworking has been done to delight a spouse. /That's/ where the gender factor comes into play.
If you have a woodworking question, you /can/ expect to receive honest and helpful answers. It's still possible that you might get picked on either because you've earned it (see paragraph 2) or because you've given some indication that you have a ready sense of humor and are prepared for some friendly banter.
I love fine hand tools - but have a normite shop. You're invited to tour http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/pix.html . If you browse the rest of the web site, you'll discover why it's a normite shop (but a sharp eye may find some much cared-for old tools that come out when I start working on gifts :-)
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Whoa! We talking about the same wreck? If so, please point out those helpful individuals so we can either block them from the group or spoof their replies. Only thing we need more of in this place is sarcasm.

Now hold on there missy! I've got plenty of patients. And I raise kids too. And I put up with men too. And even wommen, come to think of it...

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