When fresh glue is directly applied to a surface it has maximum
ability to 'wet out' the surface and achieve optimum adhesion.
Adhesion will normally be a combination of chemical and mechanical
Squeeze-out will never yield optimum wetting and therefore adhesion.
The fact that squeeze-out doesn't penetrate the wood and easily chips
off when dried doesn't really tell you much about the adhesives
properties where properly applied.
They may be the same formula because they all kinds look alike and are in
the same price range. The Lee Valley 2002GF is about USD 11.00/liter and
the GW 202GF is about USD 12.00/quart.
I've never seen it sold here in Durham or Raleigh, NC, CSA but I'm going to
order some of each. Maybe some experiments and a report?
Anybody remember the name of a wood airframe German fighter airplane
developed around 1943-44 that had two engines? As I recall from the History
Channel, it was supposed to be a terror in the air but the Germans couldn't
put it into production because the vibration shook the wood joints apart
unless they used a special glue. The factory that made the glue was bombed,
the formula burned up in the fire, and the glue chemists apparently killed
in the attack.
Sounds like the Messerschmitt 328 twin pulsejet.
Wasn't the only wooden aircraft in WWII, though. The British Mosquito was
for a while during WWII the fastest airplane in the world, and I believe
the only high performance wooden aircraft of WWII to go into volume
production. The German Go.220 twin turbojet would have been a terror if it
had been developed in time, but the factory was captured just as they were
getting ready to start production. Then there were the He 162 variants.
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I can find it tonight. AFAIR, it was colloquially known as "mosquito"
(or the German equivalent) because it was a deliberate attempt to copy
the De Havilland.
Tegofilm. They did make them without it, using an alternative glue,
but they broke up in flight.
Towards the end, there were several German aircraft with wooden
fuselages, if not wooden wings too. Natter and Salamander are some of
the more famous of the "desperation weapons".
Yeah, the history if some of the designs they had for future planes would
have made Wernher von Braun proud. One Messerschmitt design was captured by
the Americans and became the F-86 Saberjet used a lot in Korea. I'm not
sure about the designer but there was also a design (Focke-Wulf?) captured
by the Russians that became the MiG -8(?) that fought the F-86s. So, the
Luftwaffe kept on flying!!
On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 18:16:38 GMT, "Agki Strodon"
The German "mosquito clone" aircraft was the Ta-154, designed by Kurt
Tank and so it's also referred to as a Focke Wulf. As I thought, it
was also named "Moskito"
I don't know what Tego-Film replacement was, but my sources describe
it as a cold glue that had problems with residual acid. Maybe it was
an early PVA ?
I doubt it - he just did rockets
("That's not my department", says Wernher von Braun)
No, this was the P.1101. It was captured almost complete in
Oberammergau, generally ignored for years and NASA later flew it as
the Bell (sic) X-5. The original version had a variable sweep wing
that was ground adjustable, but Bell developed this to allow in-flight
sweep changes. Last person to fly it was some guy called Neil
The F-86 almost entirely ignored the German swept wing research. What
the Americans learned about sweep, they mainly picked up from the
The first supersonic jet to fly was the DH108 Swallow, a swept wing
tailless development of the 1943 Spider Crab - both with short and
tubby wooden fuselage sections, built by the Mosquito laminated wood
sheet production technique. However the Swallow was a bit of a widow
maker and all three prototypes killed their pilots. Not before
however, almost certainly becoming the first supersonic jet, albeit
unrecorded and in a near-fatal dive.
Germany's tailless Gothas and Hortens would probably have suffered
similar problems, had they ever been flown under real power.
The first supersonic aircraft was of course the Miles M.52. Cancelled
by a short-sighted British government in 1946, the first real test
wasn't until a model flight in 1948 - when it promptly achieved M1.38
in level flight, with no fuss at all.
The Russians weren't so daft. They copied everything Messerschmitt did
with swept wings and produced the Mig-15 and Mig-17 on the basis of
them. However, given what the British did by giving them Nene engines
to power them, no doubt we'd have given them wing designs too, if
The Me328 (twin pulse jets) was a dismal failure. The wooden fuselage
was destroyed by the intense acoustic noise from the pulse jets, so
they were moved off the fuselage and under the wings. Here they became
uncontrollable, as pulsejets aren't easily throttled to balance their
thrust. Unbalanced thrusts such a long way from the centre line gave
it a tendency to yaw wildly - and the fuselage still fell apart.
If we fail, then let us fail heroically
(or even better, stoichiometrically)
Not quite. A lot of German data on swept wings was used in the design of
the F-86, but it was not a German design or a copy of one. The US did
capture the P.1101 prototype, of which the Bell X-5 was a partial clone.
Other than being a swept-wing jet it bore little resemblance to the F-86.
TA-183. The Mig-15 looks a little bit like it but a long way from being a
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