new toilet and regulations

[s.petsch1]

Hi,

I am doing some work at home. I have a large bathroom which i want to divide into two by a wall. One room will be a small toilet (it will have the exiting toilet in the bathroom). The other room will be the bathroom and I will have to install a new toilet unit in there including running a waste pipe to the outside.

My question is what building regulations should i have to meet here. For example, I am unsure about ventilation. The bathroom will have a window but the small toilet will not. the toilet will only have a solid wall to the outside and an adjoining wall to the bathroom. Am i obliged to have ventilation in that small toilet?

Also, I am guessing that i do not need a handwash basin in the small toilet since the bathroom will be next door and it provides a handwash basin. am i correct in this reading of the regulations?

Do i need to meet any other regulations?

Many thanks for any help

Peter

[John]

Found this: Building Regulations

The Building Regulations Document F1 (1995 Edition) outlines the importance of ventilation and stipulates that mechanical ventilation must be installed in kitchens, bath/shower rooms and toilets.

All Manrose fans comply with or exceed current Building Regulations and are capable of extracting not less than 60 litres per second from kitchens and not less than 15 litres per second from bath/shower rooms. This means that humidity is removed at source before it can reach the cooler part of the dwelling and cause damage.

Specific requirements of The Building Regulations Document F1 (1995 Edition) on ventilation are as follows: a.. Bathrooms: The Regulations require a fan capable of minimum extract capacity of 15 litres per second 54m³hr (32CFM).

b.. Toilets: The Regulations require a fan capable of at least 3 air changes per hour and with a 15 minute over-run timer. N.B. 15 minute over-run is not a requirement in Scotland.

c.. Kitchens: The Regulations require a fan capable of extracting 60 litres per second

216m³hr (127CFM).

d.. Utility Rooms: The Regulations require a fan capable of extracting 30 litres per second

108m³hr (63CFM).

[Dave Plowman (News)]

I'm not certain, but I think you do have to provide hand washing facilities since it will be in effect a separate room. I would anyway - not much point in a second loo if you have to use the main one to wash your hands anyway.

[John]

...just don't touch the door handles!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[The Natural Philosopher]

IIRC both will need fans. No big deal.

I think so, but I'd try to put one in if I were you. Even a teensy one is better than none at all.

[s.petsch1]

1.3 Washbasins could be located in the room containing the closet or in a room or space giving direct access to the room containing the closet (Provided it is not used for the preparation of food) **or in a room adjacent to the room containing the closet in the case of a dwelling.**

on its own provided that an adjacent room (in this case the bathroom) provides handwashing facilities.

Am i interpreting this right?

[The Natural Philosopher]

You would be surprised. If there is room to get your knees in there is room for a washbasin.

I think that means you can have a bog OFF a bathroom, or IN a bathroom, but not next door to a bathroom. It depends on how you read adacent.

However, I would suggest that a bog without a washbowl is useless. I wouldn't use it and I wouldn't buy a house with it.

If for no other reason than the ability to clean the space without carrying buckets from next door.

[s.petsch1]

!!!! Funny that !!!!

The one that really convinced me was the one about the cleaning :-) I guess I will have to re-think the plans and install a tiny washbowl in there.!!!!

thanks

[Steve Firth]

You need building regulations approval to install a new sink or toilet.

[Dave Plowman (News)]

Anyone know where you can get one of those which is either totally or partially recessed into the wall? Could be stainless steel or ceramic.

[Dave Plowman (News)]

I would. Presumably you want a second toilet to ease the 'load' on the main one? But if the washing facilities are only in the main bathroom it sort of defeats the object.

[Owain]

Yes

No, you require a handwash.

You can get *really* small handwashbasins that inset into the wall - they're not much bigger than a recessed soapdish. This one's only 250mm depth from wall

one's 200mm

[Doctor Drivel]

[The Natural Philosopher]

Look at corner ones too. I managed to get a toilet and a basin alongside each other. Its a squeeze, but it works. There is about an inch between the cistern and the wall on one side and the basin corner on the other.

[Steve Firth]

Because unlike you we don't all wash in a bucket of pond water?

[Dave Plowman (News)]

[Lurch]

On Sun, 05 Aug 2007 18:14:37 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)" mused:

Am I missing something here?

[Owain]

Yes, the fact that searching for "small recessed washbasin" on google produces little of use.

I suspect this is one instance where the well-thumbed catalogue in the merchant's triumphs over the interwebbynet.

Owain

[The Natural Philosopher]

[The Natural Philosopher]