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Being able to remember HHeLiBeBCNOF says nothing about your ability to understand science, but not committing it to memory - just in case you're ever without a printed periodic table - says something about your attitude to science.

I'd add a viva voce element to all exams to search out real understanding. ;-)

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John Cartmell
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As W.S.Gilbert observed: "When everyone is somebody then no one's anybody". If (nearly) everyone passes, then a pass is worthless. If 50% of people get A and B grades then having a C shows that you are below average ability. Moving everyone up the scale has done those at the bottom no favours, whilst those who are in the top 10% are no longer identifiable.

Of course saying this shows me up as someone who has failed to appreciate that under newLab all children now achieve above average results

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Tony Bryer

When I did my second degree as a mature PT student the attitude of many of the 18-21 year olds was that they wanted to do and learn as little as possible. One lecturer asked that if students were going to copy one another's coursework could they please put different spelling mistakes in each copy. Another said that exams were totally indefensible from an academic pov but pragmatically they were the only way to ensure that students did any work, since coursework was so open to abuse.

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Tony Bryer

OK...

Not nostalgia, fact.

Source, please.

Reply to
Chris Bacon

What garbage! What warped logic. So all trained and educated plumbers are worthless then. Only those with the distinctions should be allowed in your house.

A pass is a pass, it means you are of a minimum standard. One lecturer used to say to me, "a degree is a degree, whether a first or just passed". he would also say, "after a year or two outside, no one cares what grade you got". He was right.

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Doctor Drivel

See below.

You have been bezzled !

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"After a complete cycle of subject reviews, it is now proposed that in future greater weight should be placed on institution-wide reviews. The aim is to give students, their advisers and employers up-to-date validated information, while ensuring that universities and colleges have rigorous internal mechanisms in place to promote quality and standards".

And we all know what that means...

No external, independant, auditing of standards. :-))

DG

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Derek Geldard

And all schools are "excellent", as if that's possible.

DG

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Derek Geldard

Really ? And where did I say that ? Actually I believe about 50% would benefit which is rather more than "a few percent"

"more intelligent" ? How do you work that out ? I'd say they are no more or less intelligent than any other generation.

Your experience is obviously different from the experience of my mother and sister, both of whom, you guessed it, are fully qualified teachers.

Not once they get into the real world, they won't.

Why five or ten years ?

So, much the same as my experience in the 80s then.

No, the "competition is bad" philosophy has dictated that the top slice should not be identified as such.

John

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john1_anderton

These days even nostalga isn't what it used to be. :-(

John Schmitt

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John Schmitt

You should stop read the Daily Mail and Matt/Lord Hall posts.

Reply to
Doctor Drivel

You clearly implied that. Pure Little Middle England.

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Doctor Drivel

What amazes me is that when someone sneers degree from partially uni, as being not worth anything. All degrees are to a minimum externally unmonitored standard.

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Doctor Drivel

In your dreams or, rather, Drivel's dreams.

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manatbandq

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"The United Kingdom stands out in showing consistent rises in educational investment, in terms of a rising share of GDP being devoted to education ."

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Since peaking in 1995, BCS crime has fallen by 44 per cent, representing

8.5 million fewer crimes, with vehicle crime and burglary falling by over a half (both by 57%) and violent crime falling by 43 per cent during this period.

o Violent crime has decreased by 11 per cent according to BCS interviews in

2004/05 compared with 2003/04. Recorded crime statistics show a seven per cent increase in violent crime in 2004/05 compared with 2003/04, although this increase is partly due to the continuing effect of recording changes.

o The risk of becoming a victim of crime has fallen from 40 per cent in 1995 to 24 per cent according to BCS interviews in 2004/05, representing almost six million fewer victims. This is the lowest level recorded since the BCS began in 1981.

Of course, a friend of yours down the pub got his car radio nicked last year, so national crime has, in fact, doubled.

Christian.

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Christian McArdle

ROFL. Something meaningful would be better...

ROFL. Something meaningful would be better...

You are a clow^H^H^Hard.

Reply to
Chris Bacon

I would. Increased stimulation and better education does increase the ability of the human brain to process information. It isn't entirely heritable.

when you said "in the past if a student got three As then it was a pretty good bet that they were, academically speaking, in the top few percent and therefore would benefit from access to one of the limited university places available and/or contribute most to a future employer."

Whilst this does not actually state that those outside the few percent wouldn't benefit, there is a strong implication there that the rest of your post did nothing to dispel.

I didn't say that teachers were any more satisfied. Indeed, many of the achievements that have been made have been as a result of, perhaps, overloading the teachers.

I think it just creeped up on them. Now a failure of imagination and fear of the Daily Mail has prevented the government from implementing a new system that would solve the problem, after a promising start when they commissioned the Tomlinson report in the first place.

Christian.

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Christian McArdle

OK. So you know better than the OECD and the British Crime Survey. Your own personal experiences mean more. Ha Ha Ha.

representing

FFS, the BCS is the best crime statistical information on the planet. Please quote me a credible source that shows that crime has done anything other than massively reduce in the last ten years. Actually don't bother. Because no such credible source exists.

Christian.

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Christian McArdle

Don't be silly. I didn't say that.

The last 10 years is a short period. Your statement that "crime has done anything other than massively reduce in the last ten years" is simplistic, to say the least. Perhaps you were still in primary school 10 years ago?

Anyway, I've posted a question on u.l.m about long-term statistics, so hopefully something will come of that. I even asked that they be simple, with plenty of pictures.

Reply to
Chris Bacon

I would like to dream about such wonderfulness. But also I don't.

Reply to
Doctor Drivel

In article , Geoffrey writes

Having just had one child finish GCSE's and another starting I feel I am in a position to comment, my older child was certainly not pressured into anything during her GCSE years, a fact that was reflected in poor results, we complained on numerous occasions about the lack of homework, course work and teacher involvement all to no avail, if anyone was putting pressure on it was us, she more or less did what you did in your time but in her case it didn't work out. We feel that her school let her down and we know other parents who feel the same way about their children's education, many of today's schools seem to have lost sight of what they are really there for. We put our younger son into a different school (carefully selected) and we have a completely different regime which is much more in keeping with what we consider to be a proper education. Your generalisation about leisure time, socialisation and homework doesn't stack up, I work a lot with the youngsters around here and they have as much time as I ever had when I was young.

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David

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