Have you tried asking Primary School teachers? Now try explaining how parents do their kids spelling learning homework. All my wife's class (Y2 inner city Manchester) do their homework. Some better than others of course. But your defeatist assumptions are wrong.
No. I wish to see that vocational training get the status it deserves, which is very high, but that it not be confused with an academic discipline, which suits maybe 2-3% of the population, who will mostly never achieve anything much beyind fleshing out someone esles theory, or teaching, but, just occasionally will produce a genius of such importance, that it makes the waste of money on the rest of the 2% worth while.
It dependfs what you call a degree. In the olden days academic education was more about teachjing people how to think,in order that they could become innovators in their fields.
Todays 'degrees' ARE vocational, in that they consist in mostly regurgitating the 'party line' on this, or that subject.
Arguably all medical degrees for example have been in that mould for many years, for example...precious few medical resercrhers tend to come out of that discipline, just lots of professional doctors..well thats OK, but don't confuse that with an academic education, which is for a very few, not necessrarily something to aspire to at all, but something that should be given to those with the apititude for it.
That 2% make new rules, that the other 30-40% learn, and apply.
That 2% discovers new things, innovates. The other 20-30% implements and devleops their knowledge. The last 60-70% mostly do what they are told and go along for the ride.
Society is a team.. Being a genuius is not necessarily a route to a high income or a happy life.
Just going along for the ride is noi disgrace either. Someone has to do all the other stuff..drive the busses etc etc.
I do believe in a sharp divison between academic abnd cvocational training, but it has nothing to do with class. As I said, Medical school is vocational training...and there are plenty gf ex WC eacedemics of total excellence aroudn at Oxbridge.
Its innate aptidude that makes the difference: The ability to cope with exteremly high levels of abstraction..few people have it, and its not that useful a skill in daily life, but in terms of tackling (some) very complecx problems, those are the people that society needs to use.
Yotyr post betrays yoi as someone who hasn't had, and wouldn't benefit from an acedemic education. Let it be. Few do. Less than in fact used to go to University when I went...there were plenty of quite average students around...however te catchement area was wide enough to make sure that nearly all te true academics went to university, along with a bunch of people who shuld have been in vocational training, and eventually did end up there anway afterwards.
Then don't look at it that way - you are the one with the 'class glasses' on.
What wqe need is an exam to sift out teh few that can benefit from the academic approach - a super exam to sort out those with IQs up around 140 to 160..
Because its that group that is getting disenfranchised and denied the access to te 'special needs' eduication they desperately need.
Hear hear. Give me a bloke with an apperbnticeship in a thick sandwich course at a poly over a half baked comp sci grad with a head stuffed full of theoretical knbowledge he doesn't really understand, any day of the week..Very few people need that stuff unless they are doing advanced chip design. What the world needs are pepople who can tirn out workmanlike C++ code that is maintainable and bug free...;0-)
1967. A tough year. I only managed a B. ;-) [Snip]
Its not that it should be committed to memory - I can't remember past the first two, but its just that SURELY you have doen enough of it to remember which one has an atomivc number of one?
Like 'what is the lightest element? Anyone could answer that, and if the inderstanding is there, that that ipos facto makes it no 1 in the table, there is the answer.
The fact that they probably DID know which was the lightest element, but DID NOT make the connection to the first element in the table, is the appalling conclusion..
Lirek my niece being able to tell me fairl quockly what 4x4 was, but not 4 squared...
Then only 3% would pass.
Besides, where would you find the examiners who understood?
Some education is better.
What has happened is that the worst of te schools have gone, and the educatiio standards of the bottom third of the population in both intelligence and 'clarrs' has improved.
The standarsd of the next third is slightly improved to slighlty worse, and the top third has been shafted.
It sounds like your education was in the bottom third, some time ago.
As far as spelling goes, and punctuation,very few people even now realise the mistakes they are making, let alone how to correct them.
IIRC it was you who complianed about te youngsters spitting at you in shopping centers...sure shome mishtake..if they are all so well educated and well adjusted and happy liitle citizens...
Reduction in crime has come about purely because since everyone knows the police are stupid, clueless and couldn't give a f*ck about your stolen handbag, there is no point in reporting being mugged at all.
Not reported = no crime committed as far as the statistics go...
And os the poolice will only actually ACCEPT a crime that they have some chance of clearing up.
Otherwise it looks bad on their books dunnit?
Every body knows what is going on - everyone is working to not fix the underlying problems, but to set and meet targets that look good in govermental reports.
Mmm. And still part of bleeding edge quantum physics actually..perhaps you had better tell them all at CERN, because it sounds like your basic understanding is more than they have ;-)
Obviously I wasn't her maths teacher! Knowledge and automatic understanding of multiplication tables, square, cube, prime, and triangular numbers, the periodic table, natural selection, binary arithmetic, logic, safe use of saws, planes, drills, cooking equipment and how to sketch in isometric projection, design and make book covers, and produce a threaded hole in a block of metal are all essential skills for everyone. And yes I've taught them all. I would have taught her the mathematical language that was needed but don't assume that because a kid doesn't understand the language that you know that they don't understand the concept. They may well recognise specialist language that you don't understand!
I don't need to after over 50 years experience.
Now try explaining how parents
In this case they probably only listen and correct(teach). As your reply implies, some children/parents do it others don't. In many other cases the parents will do the homework in order to raise the apparent achievement level of the child for parental status reasons. I am not opposed to parental effort, particularly on home reading, but homework for primary children should be minimal and teaching should be imaginative.
All my wife's class (Y2 inner city
What is the average/max/min reading age compared to chronological age for the children in this class at the year end(last year of course)? ie child age 6.5yrs, reading age 7yrs using a standard reading test. Because that gives you an international measure.
But your
Wait 10 years and see! If the teachers are left free to teach and not tick boxes, then there might be a chance, but the experience in the US, which uses the same system shows that it produces a two tier society, with the richer areas getting good results and the poorer areas not. Some local primary schools are now getting worse literacy results than they were 10 years ago. Others may have improved, but not substantially. Remember the Ofsted adverts to become a school inspector "No previous experience required"!
Regards Capitol
The narrow minded Little Middle England mentality again. the one that ruined this country. Some people just sick.
Polys never did apprenticeship courses, that was tech colleges. Polys were unis with a technical bias, issuing degrees. Only a handful of them left.
Comps don't issue degrees.
Noble words. Vocational never will because of the class system. You know that because you went to snotty uni.
What gets assessed? By whom?
"Statement on the resignation of John Randall, Chief Executive of the Quality Assurance Agency"
Why do you suppose he was resigned? Could it be his imposition of external auditing of standards was not appreciated by the HE industry?
LOL.
"After a complete cycle of subject reviews, it is now proposed that in future greater weight should be placed on institution-wide reviews. The aim is to give students, their advisers and employers up-to-date validated information, while ensuring that universities and colleges have rigorous internal mechanisms in place to promote quality and standards".
And we all know what that means...
Yep, that's it. No external, independant, auditing of standards.
****************************************************************************BTW.
How do you account for the degrees in
Pizza-Ology ( 4 year Honours )
Geography with dance
Leisure facilities management.
USW, USW. USW.
??
And more recently "Golf".
DG
Good. I do know exactly but I'm not sure that's public information. It's certainly above average and well above the average for similar schools.
I don't think we're disagreeing. When a Y2 class teacher hears all her (30) class read twice a week - and some daily (in addition to group reading of course) then you might expect results to be OK. That's not connected to the NC of course. But then it's not necessarily linked to parental income either as my example could show.
And yes - we more than agree about Ofsted. I've had good experience of good inspectors - but they have now left. And the whole idea of inspection is summe up with the question: "What's the difference between a plastic surgeon and an Ofsted Inspector?" "One tucks up features."
I'm coping with pre-inspection illness in a more than capable teacher. ;-((
dIMM has got it wrong again.
Regards Capitol
But, can generally spell and parse a sentence correctly, unlike yourself!
LOL Capitol
Maxie, get inhere. This tosser is taking the name of your loved one in vain.
..be sick.
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