EU to flush your money down your toilet?

[bert]

It was an illustration

[SteveW]

It's not where they are from it is that a large influx has massively increased the local population. It is highly unlikely that such a large and rapid change would occur from local migration. The fact that they are mainly East Europeans is neither here nor there, except that it demonstrates a sudden and large movement of people from a particular area - funnily enough when controls were relaxed. No similarly large migration has occurred from France, Germany or the like, as their economies, services, benefits and wages are similar enough to our own so as not to make that massively attractive.

SteveW

[harryagain]

Typical socialist drivel. These people are parasites on our system. All thanks the Bliar.Brown. Things will get a lot worse come next year when a lot of uneducated peasants and criminals arrive from Bulgaria etc. They have huge families so there will be no chance of getting suitable school places.

They contributed nothing to our economy, just here to scrounge. The likes of Poland has been able to export its problem unemployed so shifting the financial burden to us.

[harryagain]

Drivel The picking season moves round the country and from South to North. Many do other agricultural work too. Only an idiot townie thinks stuff grows on it's own.

[harryagain]

Well you can be going to or coming from. But "Going from"?

Are you foreign?

[harryagain]

The NHS does try to retrieve oney.. Once individuals have left the country it's almost impossible to retreive the money either from them or their government. In spite of various agreements. And I used to work fro the NHS so why don't you shut the f**k up with your drivel

[harryagain]

The rebate is paid for entirely by us as we pay in more then we take out. What a load of paper shuffling bollix. All to support a gravy train elite living it up in Brussels.

[harryagain]

Once you start with regulation you need inspectors and a whole host of expensive administrators. Empire building. More and more costs and uncompetitiveness. Jobs for the boys.

[harryagain]

Some of us didn't. We got TB and died. Pastueurising all milk was not an EU thing.

When all badgers are dead we can go back to unpasteurised milk.

TB was brought back here by immigrants from Africa.

[Tony Bryer]

But AIUI it also means they can sell their products in Spain without further testing or certification.

[Adrian]

Thanks for the advance warning.

Within a week or three, yes. But across the full year? No. B'sides, I thought you disliked people travelling to find work? Or is it only if there's a national border crossed?

The vast majority of the year is FAR less labour intensive than harvest.

[Adrian]

Really? Oh, OK. Clearly all those many press reports - and the health minister - are wrong. Here's one for a start - written by somebody working within the NHS, running a clinic, who can't get the NHS to figure out who to charge what

- and who thinks the cross-border healthcare directive is a bloody good thing for the NHS.

the-nhs_b_4173052.html

What level of the finance department of which health authority?

So - from your position of expertise - what amount is already billed to EU governments but never paid? Why isn't it paid? And how's the amount calculated in the first place? Nobody else seems to agree on a figure. Perhaps they should have asked you.

And how does that affect whether the NHS is a "UK decision" or not?

[Adrian]

Indeed it was. One that was so ill-conceived as to prove a fine demonstration of your grasp on the concepts involved.

[Adrian]

So that's a "No".

OK, fine. So you'd restrict access to local services to people from other areas _within_ the UK, in the same way as to people from other EU countries? If so, then the EU is an irrelevance to your argument. Your argument is against population mobility, full stop.

Except the French population is one of the largest within London, and makes London the city with the sixth largest population of French nationals, world-wide. Including within France.

That's about twice the size of the Irish, Pakistani or Bangladeshi communities. Three times the size of the Chinese community. About the same size as the Black Caribbean community. Four times the size of the Arab community. A full one in three of the "other White" (including all Eastern Europeans) category.

[Tim Streater]

Thanks for the warning.

Only an idiot thinks that the picking people would be doing work on an apple farm outside the picking season. That is mostly spraying and working with the agriculturalist who comes to check for infestations on a regular basis, and the bee people.

[charles]

It's not thedesign change - that's easy. It's setting up a new production line is the expense.

[charles]

Immigrant badgers?

[dennis]

A lot didn't they died from various diseases but you probably forget that. Those days could return with resistant bacteria.

[dennis]

You wouldn't be allowed to put any such wheelchair in the CAT scanner room so not a very good example.

[Java Jive]