EU to flush your money down your toilet?

[The Natural Philosopher]

One of the benefits of being on a UKIP mailing list is such delightful snippets as these

Less 'Part P', and more 'part-pee'..

"Further down, the minutes of one of the expert group meetings singles out the following ?key findings?:

that ?toilet seats/covers are not really related to the product function?; that ?toilet seats/covers are often sold separately? from the main ?product?; and that ?there is a high variability in consumer?s choice for toilet seats/covers?.

Experts have agreed that two ?key elements? appear to affect the water consumption of flushing toilets and urinals: their design and the user behaviour. Regarding user behaviour and ?based on the discussions with stakeholders?, the experts have decided to set the average flush volume as "the arithmetic average of one full flush volume and three reduced flush volumes".

Wow. I bow to the mighty EU! who would have known that! Or come up with such a daring solution!

Or didn't they think that with most homes equipped with water meters and spiralling costs, we shouldn't already not be flushing more than we had to?

And they wonder why UKIP membership is increasing faster than its declining in the other parties....

[Artic]

The Natural Philosopher scribbled...

No shit...

[Adrian]

Perhaps because those liable to join UKIP are easily swayed by such selective reporting?

I notice you omitted this bit... "Experts have reported that in Netherlands, and maybe soon in France, toilets with less than 6 litres per flush cannot be installed. Portugal should face the same limitations. In the UK, new toilets with more than 6 l/flush are forbidden and installations of toilets with less than 6 l/ flush are encouraged though it depends on where and when the property was built, the drainage system installed, etc. For Britain, the Commission notes that some toilets already in place before the new legislation can use 7 or 9 l/flush."

Sounds to me like standardisation might be a good plan...

[Andy Cap]

What ever! It's all negated by a burgeoning population, all too often encouraged through taxpayer-funded incentives. Of course immigration is a considerable factor too. Green deals and bags-for-life is merely tinkering while Rome burns.

[Adrian]

Ah, the usual knee-jerk fallback position of the UKIP-hard-of-thinking when faced with reality.

BTW, would your migration complaint be relating to intra-EU migration (which doesn't affect the total EU population one tiny bit, of course), legal external migration (which is already very strictly controlled), or illegal external migration (which is already... illegal)?

[The Natural Philosopher]

But does involve transffering the least sucessful inhabitants of several european countries from a place where their life is shit to do nothing here, where life is infintelyt better on benefits, and their 12 kids become not a horror of exoense, but a source of income?

sheesh, we have seen familes loading up shopping carts and walking straight out of the supermearket without paying.

Straight into the car with E European plates and driving off.

and unenforccable at OUR borders because of the requirement for free passage beween european nations.

You can walk through a wood to get into the EU, once in its free passage to the country of your choice.

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[Andy Cap]

There's absolutely NOTHING knee-jerk about it. Have you *any* idea how fast the world's population is growing? Then add in the naturally improving standard of living of the Third World and I think we have a problem Houston! For democracy to work, you need meaningful constituencies and what these artificial area do is alienate elector's interest, thereby giving total control to the Eurocrats in our case. There is nothing to stop us co-operating of issues as above, of mutual interest but a NWO is anti-democratic and I have a perfect right to hold that view as you have to favour the status-quo or even further integration.

[Adrian]

Who's doing this "transferring"? Have you actually ever looked at the requirements for a new EU migrant to receive benefits in the UK?

You're right! There should be a law against it!

Have you ever crossed a land border from a non-Schengen state into a Schengen one? No, thought not. The last time I did (and that was quite a few of them, just over a year ago), there was no shortage of border guards with large guns, checking passports etc closely. Even within the EU. And, yes, there are EU land borders that aren't Schengen.

BTW, you _do_ know that there are non-EU schengen states, don't you...? Such as Norway and Switzerland - y'know, the ones the UK should "be more like".

And did you know that even tourist visits from several non-EU countries to the UK are _incredibly_ difficult and expensive to obtain, where people from the same countries can work three months visa-free in Schengen? I had a very interesting chat with a young Albanian lad, who'd been picked up and taken for deportation within seconds of getting off the NI-Mainland ferry.

Even the vaguest of unbiased glances shows that reality does not fit that Farage idiot's rhetoric one tiny bit.

[Brian Gaff]

actually this is rather interesting. I have a full old fashioned flushing toilet, but I do not notice big bills indeed being on a meter they fell.

I imagine the break even point is dependent on the number of people at home and for how long etc. One thing that has intrigued me though, is how do they calculate the processing of the waste water? some people send all their waste down, others divert grey water to other things etc, so it has surely to be a veryrough and ready calculation. Also can I bill the water supplier for all the damage and work needed to remove lime scale from things?

Brian

[Capitol]

Yes if it worked! We all have come across toilets which don't work. My childhood memories fail to register a high level 2 gallon toilet which didn't. Personally I loathe the top mounted push button cisterns currently being sold. I don't know of a woman with fingernails who can use one without complaining and they frequently don't clear in one go as the water flow is too slow/small. I would prefer that all toilets had to pass a customer function test before being allowed to be sold. One of the commonest topics of US conversations is "toilets I have blocked" and I don't know of a US home without a toilet plunger. Heaven forbid that we join the club.

UKIP seem to be the only party who are reporting the activities of our EU masters. Why aren't the other politicians not representing us doing so?

[The Natural Philosopher]

who said anything about going past border guards?

I walked from Germany to Austria and back years ago before all this Schengen nonsense, without even SEEING the border. it was just a track through some woods.

dozens of boats land illegally every bloody day. Its only when they sink we get to hear about it.

he should have swum ashore

you haven't listened to Nigel farage have you?

Its not illegal immigration: its legal immigration that is the problem

[Adrian]

Now why would anybody install, and then leave, a toilet that didn't work?

So don't buy one. They're not the only ones being sold.

I rather suspect they all work on installation, and it's merely a question of lack of maintenance and repair in the interim.

I bet you're fun at parties.

As filtered by the Daily Wail.

[Adrian]

Umm, you did. Or, rather, you said it was OK to just walk through some woods and you'd be laughing.

Riiiiight. So that's at least 20 years since implementation, 30 since the agreement was signed. Perhaps they were all part of the same empire at the time?

There should be a law against it!

Yes. The man's a raging self-obsessed f****it.

[Tim Streater]

It's unlikely that UKIP is doing that. Since UKIP MEPs don't turn up to committee meetings in Brussels to support Tory MEPs in protecting Britain's interests against LibDem and other EU Socialist MEPs, they aren't going to be in a position to know what's going on.

And these are MEPs, BTW, who we elect (apparently) to do a job and who are getting their (inflated) dosh out of *our* taxes.

[Tim Streater]

He's also a professional politician, although he tried to claim on TV that he is not.

[Andy Cap]

I bet 90% of voters couldn't name a single MEP because they're not interested and anyway, being one of 26 nations means your vote is virtually meaningless. Small point I know but neither has ANYONE EVER voted to join the EU. We are meant to live in a democracy so it's doesn't seem like to much to ask, to have a vote on the subject !

[The Natural Philosopher]

golly. Those poor tory and libe demn MEPS who cant stand up without UKIP support..

Whats the point of turning up to deals already struck?

I bet you didnt even vote! And they aren't elelcted to do a job., They are elected to nod sagely and raise their hands before dashing off for a big meal in Le Grand Place.

[The Natural Philosopher]

I bet everyone can name at least one MEP.

Nigel Farage.

And Von Rompuy.

[Andy Cap]

Yes OK. What I really meant was one of their own ! :-{

[Adrian]

Well, apart from the UK in the 1975 referendum, of course. Which was 67% in favour.

Oh, and Ireland and Denmark both also had positive referenda at about the same time - but Norway narrowly voted no. Austria, Finland and Sweden all had positive referenda in the mid '90s - Norway voted no again, but was even closer. Nine of the 2003 accession states had positive referenda, too, then Croatia last year.

So that's 16 of the current 28 members who did indeed vote to join the EU

- or 16 of the 22 who joined it post-formation. Only one's ever voted against - with a high point of 53% against.

But - apart from that - what did the Romans ever do for us, eh?