A challenge for old house lovers

[IMM]

keep reading the tabloids.

[Andy Hall]

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[Christian McArdle]

Considerably larger than the plot taken by the house, so irrelevent.

Christian.

[IMM]

Far more in percentage terms too, and all fully skilled tradesmen too.

You have only seen pictures on the web from web site I gave. Don't make things up.

No one is claiming that with SIPs.

I, and the makers, are saying no such thing.

They are not. they say that unskilled people can be trained up very quickly on them. There are courses on how to erect them.

It does go together easily.

Only if you are a cowboy.

No one makes such a cliam.

< snip the narrow minded babble of a mentalist >

The mentalist goes on...

For ever. The oldest wooden structure in the UK is from the 11th century.

These will outlast them. Traditional materials? Blocks are pretty as are paramount boards. they make up a large part of a "traditional" house.

Your focus is poor. You have said SIPs are ticky tacky, when the opposite is true. You have never been in a SIP house.

Do you? Well SIP homes are taking off like wildfire in Japan.

You obviously know nothing of construction, so stop making things up.

[IMM]

The rats and mice under the floor.

[IMM]

he wants figures for a ballpark, so it must be a big house.

[Andy Hall]

Together with the bricks, it is.

I have no need of therapy.

Have you ever tought about English lessons, at all?

I see. So which is it? Skilled or not?

If something is billed as being suitable for unskilled assempbly, yes.

Easiest for who? If it really was easy, there would not have been the problems that were seen in Alaska. If you read the report, you would learn that all sorts of things can go wrong.

Just look at most of the U.S. manufacturer web sites.

In terms of the outcome, both are required.

Nope. I am simply applying some perspective.

The article was published by an industry association.

In fact it does cite some manufacturing defects and tolerance issues, but mainly it points out that construction is not unskilled.

Go and read the article. It indicates that there are a whole bunch of issues ranging from manufacturing to design and engineering to installation where a tightening up in the industry is clearly required.

This is in the U.S. where this technology has been in use for years.

You are advocating its use in the UK. Is the training and inspection infrastructure in place, and the skills to design? Is it validated for long term use in our climate? Are the manufacturers and builders willing to offer a long and fully remedial guarantee?

So why did the construction people run into trouble in Alaska?

I don't think that one needs to actually step onto a site to see houses being thrown up from OSB panels........

ROTFL.

Are they? Where?

That's something. Does it have allowances by size of rat?

So rats eat bricks now?

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[Christian McArdle]

He didn't mention using the entire ball park. If he'd asked for an estate location figure, you wouldn't charge him for the entire estate, just the normal plot size.

Christian.

[Andy Hall]

Nope.

Look at US manufacturer web sites.

Clearly there can still be problems.

So how come there were cases of several dozen houses with leaking roofs and mushrooms growing through?

Yes, but it is not reasonable to compare something constructed properly from hardwoods using skilled craftsmen with something made from manufactured board and foam thrown together by unskilled labour.

How do you know? How does anybody know?

This was said about the concrete tower blocks - a marvel of modern technology. Now look at them.

Actually I have, in the U.S.

Do they burn as well? :-)

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[IMM]

Just the centre circle?

[IMM]

Sop making things up.

No one says unskilled unfamiliar labour is suitable.

It is.

There are millions of SIP homes in north American in climates similar to ours with vermin more prone to attack if, it attacks it at all. They are all brilliant and have been there for decades.

All built with traditional masonry.

Stop making things up.

That is another point. They resist fire too. Well spotted.

[Christian McArdle]

The penalty area should be enough for most people, giving enough for a reasonable sized garden.

Christian.

[Andy Hall]

Really? Without exception? Like the ones in Juneau?

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[IMM]

It isn't.

Most people who need it never think they do. Your private health insurance can pay for it.

I could give you some.

Icky the Firebobby, that's who.

Still mutually excusive.

Like the skilled labour we have in the UK construction industry that build the worst tack in the western world.

The official report clearly went down on workmanship.

Yes. Just not scaled up yet.

Yep. NHBC will guarantee them.

NHBC will guarantee them.

Cowboys. They left out joining splines, etc, etc.

You do. Amnd stop making things up.

And they would ROTFL as they did it.

I told you where.

They go through block and houses are made of that stuff. The block holds up the house, the brick is a facade to kid people it is "solid", which is bunkum. A "traditional" British house is noisy as sound suppression is near zero. There is none in the floors. A SIP floor keeps sound away very well.

[IMM]

This is a classic case of mentalism taking hold. This is sad to see in front of your very eyes.

[Andy Hall]

He's behind you.

I see.

If you read the Juneau article, both product and installation issues are mentioned.

From the standpoint of the customer, the result was still a failure.

Well I'm not sure about that, but if the situation is really that bad, it would seem imprudent to foist a new technology on them.

Manufacturing defects and tolerances were also mentioned.

.. and this has a lot of value?

So why did the pieces fit together without?

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Oh *there*. I wouldn't want to go *there*.

Seems to have worked pretty well for several thousand years....

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[Andy Hall]

What's next month's catchphrase going to be?

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[IMM]

< snip drivel from a mentalist who continually defends cowboys >

[Brian Sharrock]

John Prescott will insist on not less than twelve dwelling per acre - and that they all vote yes in a postal ballot for a Regional Assembly. Reasonable sized gardens will not be given planning permission.

[The Natural Philosopher]

Prescottdigitation?

(or how to make industrial output figures appear from empty promises)