Will Toyota's troubles move you to Ford?

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countered by...
"the quacking duck gets shot"
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According to you Yanks, I live in a "socialist state"

Which is why much of Canadian aid is channeled through very efficient private organizations - matching funds to agencies like MCC (Mennonite Central ommittee) - one of the MOST efficient "charities" in the world..

I've lived in "African nations". The people are not hard to govern - the Governments are just incapable of governing.
Different than the US.

Or the axe.

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On Fri, 29 Jan 2010 12:40:36 -0500, snipped-for-privacy@snyder.on.ca wrote:

Please! Yanik isn't a Yank.

Yanik is blowing smoke about Government being inefficient at managing things. The most efficient healthcare system in the world is run by the U.S. government. Unfortunately, it is only available to a select group of people.
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Which one is that? MCare is going broke, people have to buy supplemental policies to cover the gaping holes and the payment levels are so low that many doctors are refusing to take new Mcare patients. VA? Big problems outside the big medical center hospitals that are almost all run as teaching hospitals by medical schools. Maybe the Bureau of Indian affairs. Haven't heard much about them recently.
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Okay, point to Mother Teresa on CNN... (g).
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snipped-for-privacy@snyder.on.ca wrote in wrote:

you have weird concepts. Socialism is "by nature" "theft",as it depends on taking from some classes to give away to others.
Capitalism is in no way "theft".It rewards people who work hard by allowing them to keep what they EARNED.Only when "progressives" screw things up does it become "theft".
Without Capitalism,socialists/"progressives" have little to steal.
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Jim Yanik wrote:

Especially when they continue to believe that The United States is a democracy. I laughed so hard at Al Gore because he couldn't bring himself to refer the country as a republic.
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Why don't you quote what Mulally actually said in that testimony to Congress that was pertinent to the discussion:
"On Tuesday, Ford Motor Company submitted to your Committee our comprehensive business plan, which details the companys path to profitability through an acceleration of our aggressive restructuring actions and the introduction of more high-quality, safe and fuel-efficient vehicles including a broader range of hybrid-electric vehicles and the introduction of advanced plug-in hybrids and full electric vehicles. In addition to our plan, we are also here today to request support for the industry. In the near-term, Ford does not require access to a government bridge loan. However, we request a credit line of $9 billion as a critical backstop or safeguard against worsening conditions as we drive transformational change in our company."
And in the end, they didn't need even the the credit line. I think Ford deserves credit, not condemnation for being the only one of the big 3 that got through this without a federal bailout.
As for the claim that Ford didn't take govt money because people were watching, obviously that is specious because it didn't stop GM, Chrysler, Wall Street, the banks, etc.
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On Jan 28, 1:40pm, snipped-for-privacy@optonline.net wrote:

So what if others were more brazen? If he wasn't interested in stealing from me, he should have stayed home... like Toyota & Honda did, instead of asking for billions that no one in their right mind would give him out of their own pockets.
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ford had already refinanced right before the economic dump, i believe the ford family lost control of the company at that point, they ere near bankrupt
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On Thu, 28 Jan 2010 13:40:42 -0800 (PST), snipped-for-privacy@optonline.net wrote:

Ford didn't take government money because they didn't need it. They didn't need it because they had done most of the restructuring required, and the new product development, before the crap hit the fan across America and the world.
If I was buying a NEW vehicle today. Ford and Toyota would be top on the list. When I need to replace my current Ford and/or Chrysler, a USED Ford (again) is a distinct possibility. I'm on the third Ford in a row, along with the third Chrysler, with one (never again) GM squeezed in between. I've owned 2 Toyotas and driven numerous others before, and would definitely consider another if the price was right.
I only buy used.
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On Jan 28, 2:16pm, snipped-for-privacy@snyder.on.ca wrote:

Uh-huh
And the reason the crook decided to stop prying my door open is that he suddenly realized that he didn't really need my new TV. It had nothing to do with the fact that I was yelling at him and pointing my shotgun at him. I should reward that chap and do business with him!
(Just as stupid)
Explain why Ford went to congress asking for billions. It's not acceptable. If that didn't make your blood boil, you weren't paying attention.
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On Thu, 28 Jan 2010 14:53:57 -0800 (PST), mike

Ford never asked for money - they asked the government to back a limited line of credit IF REQUIRED, and asked the government to immediately help out their competition, who WERE hurting in a bad way.
Good of them, I thought.
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snipped-for-privacy@snyder.on.ca wrote:

Ford has been working on greener cars for years. If the Meltdown had waited about 4 more years, I don't think Ford would have missed a beat. They were that far ahead of even the imports, IMHO.
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On Thu, 28 Jan 2010 11:30:54 -0800 (PST), mike

Good for him. They are still making cars and making a profit so evidently those employees and plants were not needed. If GM had done similar, they may be profitable too.
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And they are making a profit despite the fact the UAW wouldn't give them the same breaks on wages and work rules that they gave to GM and Chrysler.
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Yeah, the Ford Fusion is a good car. Made in Mexico.
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On Sun, 31 Jan 2010 16:18:37 -0800 (PST), Michael B

I really don't care where a car is made, I want a safe reliable vehicle. A good value and good gas mileage is secondary. What I do not comprehend is that Americans buy a vehicle based primarily on appearance--what else kept Chrysler in business?
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Phisherman wrote:

Yup, People kept buying junks and theu kept making junks. All stupid people. fault They just keep changing skins of same junk fooling people. Sorry to say this but all my family vehiclea are Japanese brand.
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Well, prior to Iacocca, Chrysler had a reputation as "the engineering company." They had a really good reputation for bulletproofness, the slant six, LA V-8 and RB V-8 all would outlast any comparable product from Ford or Chevy. Unfortunately it all went downhill in the 70s and they never recovered until the introduction of the K-Car.
I'm guessing there are a lot of buyers that still remember the "good old days" and hope against hope that that pentastar on the fender still means what it used to.
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