Will Toyota's troubles move you to Ford?

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No. It was protruding bolts that would pierce the tank in a rear end collision. 2 friends of mine were killed in one.
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Can't remember on the Pinto, but MANY vehicles did have that design years back. The flange on the tank sat over the hole in the floor of the trunk and bolted in, forming the rest of the trunk floor. No straps to rust out, easy to get to the fuel sender assembly, and easy to replace.
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On Thu, 28 Jan 2010 07:29:47 -0800, "Jon Danniken"

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No. Where, exactly, will I put things like shrubs, bags of asphalt patch, and groceries?
Cindy Hamilton
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Have your main squeeze bring them home in his tatty old pickup. He needs to be useful for something.
Joe
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He's quite useful, but I prefer to bring them home myself in my Toyota Matrix. We use his Honda CRV for pulling the trailer if we need extra cargo space.
For us, cars are just tools. If they're not useful, we don't buy 'em.
Cindy Hamilton
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I didn't appreciate Ford attempting to stick their grubby paws in my pockets via a bailout. I'll pass. That goes double for those who actually pulled off the grand larceny.
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Ahem. I think Ford was the one that turned down bailout money.
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Ahem. They were lobbying for it until they saw the coming backlash and reconsidered.
You sure have a short memory.
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http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/WallStreet/story?idb85739&page=1
"The CEOs of the big three automakers flew to the nation's capital yesterday in private luxurious jets to make their case to Washington that the auto industry is running out of cash and needs $25 billion in taxpayer money to avoid bankruptcy.
...Mulally [FORD] made his case Tuesday before the committee saying he's cut expenses, laid-off workers and closed 17 plants.
"We have also reduced our work force by 51,000 employees in the past three years," Mulally said."
*** He's just another thief who put his hacksaw down only after he noticed how many people were watching.
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But capitalism and private enterprise is good? Isn't it?
It allows any, athlete, Hollywood or TV star, 'Kapitan' of industry or self made 'Madeoff' or scam-artiste, the possibility to make as much money a possible. Regardless of anybody else! Right?
And the moment that anyone starts talking about a national army, police forces instead of posses and vigilantes, public schools instead of private ones, publicly owned water and sewer services, city or state governemnt operated services and transportation, necessary organisations such the FAA, proper regulation of financial institutions etc. is suggested, or 'God Forbid' universal health care for everybody; the cry of 'No Socialism' or 'No Communism' goes up!
We know that those other extremes don't work either; so somewhere in between?
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What are you talking about? Are you off your meds? Attempted theft has nothing to do with capitalism. Theft, however, is synomous with socialism.
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On Thu, 28 Jan 2010 13:27:02 -0800 (PST), mike

And firmly embedded in capitalism and the "free market" economy by it's very nature.
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What? Theft? Socialism? I reject that.
Just look at the smallest unit of capitalism: a voluntary exchange of goods between two people.
Both parties willfully exchange property for what they decide is in their mutal benefit. That is their right as they have a right the use and transfer of property that they obtained through their own efforts, their own life energy, if you will. It is not taken from them against their will.
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On Thu, 28 Jan 2010 15:05:28 -0800 (PST), mike

Capitalism and "free market" are not necessarily the same, but the "free market economy" is one of the anchors of capitalism.
The "free market economy" is an economy unfettered by regulations, where "anything goes" to make a buck. From backstabbing to theft to fraud, and just about everything else in between. The American banking system and financial services market are two good cases in point. The "pillars" of the capitalist champion of the world are both so crooked they have virtually brought the american economy down around their ears. The Stock Market is another "pillar" of the Free Market Economy, and capitalism. The "raise the dtock price at any cost" mentality is paramount in the "free market economy"
So my widespread observation and evidence, theft is FIRMY enbedded in the very fabric of the "free market economy" and capitalism by it's very nature - which is unfettered greed.
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snipped-for-privacy@snyder.on.ca wrote in wrote:

But it's not a basic tenet of Capitalism or "free market economy".

You don't seem to be aware that "socialism" has been creeping into the US economy since the early 1900's. and since then,things have slowly been worsening.
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You Yanks see socialism and communism behind every bush, door and fencepost. And socialism isn't theft if those who have willingly help those that don't - another quality that "capitalist" America is extremely short of.. I'm sure glad I'm not American. And doubly sure glad I'm not an American in government - particularly as president.
You yanks have to be the most difficult country in the world to govern. I though Canuks liked to complain, but it's just a whisper to America's roar.
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snipped-for-privacy@snyder.on.ca wrote:

BS. Socialism is by definition the state taking things. Not much willingly about that. BTW: The Fraser Institute's 2009 Generosity Index found that on a national level, 26.6 per cent of American tax filers gave to a charity compared to 24 per cent of Canadians in 2007. Total U.S. donations totalled 1.60 per cent of personal income while Canadian donations were only 0.73 per cent, translating to $10.1 billion less than the Americans. "There's a commonly held notion that Canadians are more generous than Americans, but this is clearly not true," said the report's co-author, Niels Veldhuis. "In Canada, this generosity gap limits the power and potential of charities to improve the quality of life across the country." http://www.globalwinnipeg.com/health/Manitoba+leads+Canada+charitable+giv ing+Report/2338256/story.html
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Well, sort of, in a democracy.

I looked over their table at http://www.fraseramerica.org/Commerce.Web/product_files/US_Generosity_Index_2008.pdf
Interesting stuff-- but I'd need to study Canadian Tax law & income distribution to really know if it meant anything.

A couple things can throw the IRS numbers *way* off. Fer instance-- as far as the IRS knows I never donated a thing in any tax year I didn't file the long form. And a friend gets audited every once in a while when his donations far exceed his income-- on paper. By reinvesting in a good year he might not show any income-- but because it was a good year he feels particularly generous.

I didn't know we had a competition going. I'll try harder next year. . . U. . S. . .A . . .U. . S . . A . .U . .S . .A . . . .
Jim [OB- topic- bought a 2010 Focus last year. The only 'foreign car I ever owned was a Canadian built K-car.]
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snipped-for-privacy@snyder.on.ca wrote in wrote:

"You Yanks"...that's very telling. But it's clear you don't know much about socialism.

Uh,it's NOT "willingly" if gov't forces "charity". And it's well known that gov't is more inefficient at management of such things than private organizations.

I'm sure glad you're not American,too.

Shows what you know about it. Try Israel for instance.Or many African nations.

"The squeeky wheel gets the grease."
Of course,to one like yourself,voicing one's opinions is "complaining",particularly if they disagree with you.
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