Where should smoking be illegal?

[Reggie]

Chewing gum is totally banned in Singapore.

[trader_4]

Then ban offshore fishing, logging, etc. They are dangerous, have risks to your health too. Some people might not have a choice and could wind up there too. Of course, this whole issue about there not being a choice is pure BS. You don't want to work in the bar that allows smoking, work somewhere else, it really is that simple. This is just typical lib BS, that people are being "forced" to work in smoking bars. YOU are the one forcing people to conform to your ways. I say leave them free to choose.

re to secondhand

I answered that below, read it:

Why is it so hard to grasp that if I want to host a cigar dinner in a private room at a restaurant and all those involved are OK with it, it should not be up to you to force us to not do it? Why is it so hard to grasp that if some people want to have their own bar, where smoking is allowed, that it's OK? No one is forcing you to go there. YOU are forcing us.

[Muggles]

How many times do I have to tell you I'm a conservative?

Limiting secondhand smoke is a good decision and has nothing to do with being a liberal or being a conservative.

[notbob]

What isn't!?

nb

[gfretwell]

Debate the point. Name calling is what defines stupid people.

[gfretwell]

Only tobacco smoke? If not my point is valid. The fact remains most of the compounds in tobacco smoke is also in wood smoke.

[gfretwell]

They can work in a non-smoking bar.

FKNA, until recently most were smoky

So fix the HVAC problem if you want a smoking bar. OSHA has plenty of rules about fresh air makeup and air quality in environments a lot more dangerous than a little tobacco smoke. I worked in computer rooms when smoking was legal and the smoke was never a problem., The amount of air moving through there pretty much made it gone in seconds. I was a lot more worried about paper dust and other airborne chemicals from laser drums and such.

[Stormin Mormon]

Planet Earth. Smoking on Venus, please.

[gfretwell]

Are you saying there is a shortage of waiter jobs in non smoking places? I bet it is the other way around because smokers tip better.

[gfretwell]

You are the same kind of "conservative" who wants to impose your morality on everyone else. That word has lost its meaning and become the same big government fascism we used to ascribe to liberals. The only difference is which rights you want to erode.

Your "sickness" is more learned behavior than fact ... unless that charcoal grill and fireplace down the street also makes you sick. The actual chemicals are virtually the same.

[Muggles]

Tobacco smoke is the main smoke I've been affected by, but other smoke I have similar reactions, too. VOC's mostly make me sick to my stomach and I can get headaches from them.

No, wood smoke contains "a complex mixture of gases and fine particles (also called particle pollution, particulate matter, or PM). These microscopic particles can get into your eyes and respiratory system, where they can cause health problems such as burning eyes, runny nose, and illnesses such as bronchitis. In addition to particle pollution, wood smoke contains several toxic harmful air pollutants including: benzene, formaldhyde, acrolein and polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (PAHs).

There are approximately 600 ingredients in cigarettes. When burned, they create more than 7,000 chemicals. At least 69 of these chemicals are known to cause cancer, and many are poisonous.

[gfretwell]

We are questioning whether you are actually harmed or simple offended.

OK fine but why can't I have a smoking restaurant that you do not need to go into? I have heard tea totallers say the smell of alcohol offends them too (even to the point of sickness) but we just tell them to stay out of bars.

[gfretwell]

You are "conservative" in an ISIS sort of way. You want to impose your beliefs above the freedom of others, even in places you will never go.

[gfretwell]

A distinction without a difference, particularly when you look at the scale. 40 pounds of wood vs a gram of tobacco. (something like 20,000 to one).

[Mark Lloyd]

[snip]

IIRC, that episode was called "The Death Camp of Tolerance", and involved a teacher who wanted to be fired for being gay. I first guessed the title was "Lemmiwinks", after the gerbil he put up someone's ass.

[Muggles]

Limiting secondhand smoke has nothing morality issues - it has to do with health issues.

Me telling you that I get sick when exposed to secondhand smoke should be enough for you to accept that I "get sick". It's a physical illness, not a learned behavior.

[Muggles]

It's a fact secondhand smoke harms people, and I'm one of them.

OTOH, it would be offensive if someone knew I got sick from secondhand smoke and deliberately lit up and blew smoke in my face.

There's a difference.

Right now there are places like that. I don't know for how long they'll exist, though.

[Muggles]

Oh please ... It isn't my belief that smoke harms people, it's a FACT that I can provide multiple references and documentation to support that conclusion.

[Muggles]

So, provide your evidence of what's contained in those 2.

[dadiOH]

Wait a while, there will be a study someday.