Propane generator for blackouts?

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Nope. Outages are never widespread and long-lasting. Even when some homes have been knocked out for three weeks, most have power restored in hours.

Some were likely back on line in hours after the winds subsided.
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On 10/3/2010 12:31 AM, snipped-for-privacy@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:

You are usually correct, but not always. After Katrina, entire parishes were dark for upwards of a week. When 30 miles of poles and wire are flat-out GONE (not to mention the road itself), and the right-of-way they were on is still flooded, you can't repair it until mother nature cooperates.
Hell, a couple of the more pissant beach towns were pretty much completely scrubbed away. Not sure if they bothered to rebuild, or just bought out their deeds to their patches of the mud flat, and called it done. Towns should never have been built there in the first place. There were debris collection points that I saw with my own eyes, larger than a football field, and 3 stories tall. Never did find where they were hauling it off to. You can't do local landfills in areas where water table and ground level are the same thing.
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Yeah, I guess Katrina messed things up pretty badly, too. The snow/ice argument was bogus.

Beach towns and barrier islands, sure. Go inland 10 miles and things change. The point is that there will usually be gas available somewhere in the area within hours or a few days, at the most. There is no reason to stockpile a month's gasoline on premises.
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snipped-for-privacy@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:

Tell that to the four million Houstonians who were without power for almost two weeks after Hurricane Yikes.
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Same thing after Andrew hit south of Miami (Homestead, FL).
Those mountains of trash were barged to New York, and perhaps other NE locations at great expense. Likely the same happened after Katrina.
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On 10/3/2010 12:31 AM, snipped-for-privacy@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:

Guessing you have never been to the NE in the winter? How would you restore service in hours when major parts of the infrastructure have been taken down by ice and ice laden trees?

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You're wrong. I lived in the NE (NY and VT) for over thirty years. We had some rather bad storms, and as _I_SAID_, some were without power for weeks, but there was no widespread and long-lasting power outages. Ever. Fuel was always available in hours, even after the worst storms (like 12" of sloppy stuff on Oct. 4, '77?).
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On 10/3/2010 12:44 PM, snipped-for-privacy@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:

OK, I got it, you are omniscient. So when the area (not just their street or block or town) where my folks live (and friends 10 miles from them) lost power for almost a week in a major ice storm because major lines went down it was just a lie.
BTW what is tonight's winning lottery numbers and who will win all of next weeks games?
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It wont run long, 20 lb propane has 366,000 Btus. 1 gallon of gasolene has 115000 Btus, so 20 lb propane is about equal to 3 gallons of gasolene. 3 gallon of gasolene or 20 lb Propane on a 7 hp motor im guessing a run time of 5-7 hours, or maybe less if it isnt a well designed motor, and its most likely made in China. Ng from you house or propane if you have a big tank for you house, but filling 20lb containers several times a day doesnt make sense.
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Product Features a.. 3000 running watts/3500 max watts b.. ETQ 7 HP 4 stroke air cooled OHV engine with low oil shut down c.. 6.42 gallon fuel tank provides 11 hours of run time at 50% load d.. Less than 65 db e.. Non-CARB Compliant/Not For Sale In California
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========================== This information was far down the page, and not instantly obvious. A 100 pound "cooking" tank or a 100 gal heating tank would last a lot longer. If there is a regional power cut, the propane sellers may be unable to fill your tanks.
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On Sat, 2 Oct 2010 09:36:48 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"

I always have one tank hooked to the grill and one spare. I might keep a second spare if I buy this. I don't intend to run it all the time - just enough to keep my freezer frozen and maybe watch some TV. And, if it is winter, make sure the furnace (natural gas) can run once in a while.
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It sounds like a spare tank of propane is a very wise idea, if you buy one of these. The fuel doesn't go stale while sitting, that's an advantage.
I'd think that the extra cost of the generator would discourage me. I'd get a cheaper generator, and a couple gascans to put in the shed. Pour the gas in your car, and fill them back up at the gas station. Twice a year to be certain you have good gasoline on hand.
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dgk wrote:

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It's probably better if you only have a power outage once in five years. YOu won't have to worry about stale gas.
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I have an ETQ generator, which has served me well. Mine is a two stroke gas mixer. Amazing, how quiet it is. The one time I needed it, it ran a furnace for a friend of mine, when his power was off, in bitter cold winter. Mine was about $150, delivered to my door. You can buy a lot of gasoline for the $300 price difference.
Most cheap generators like mine, and like the one you linked. Are designed for about 200 hours of runtime. Then, they are too worn out to do much good. In my case, mine has about five hours runtime, since 2005, was it.... ?? when I bought it. Can't remember.
Propane appliances are supposed to run a lot more clean than gasoline. As Mr. Ransley mentioned, natural gas generator is worth considering. If you have NG, and if the NG is dependable, in your part of the world.
How often is the power out? Do your neighbors have generators? Generators are a high theft item. And they can be noisy. And your neighbors may be jealous, and take it out by damaging or stealing your generator.
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On Oct 2, 8:24am, "Stormin Mormon"

If your 2 stroke is what I have seen for sale they last alot longer than 200 hours and are a great deal, I heard about tests done by folks at altenergyhomepower and the opinions were very high of the unit years ago, ask their for the life span, but I think its over 500 hours if its run easily
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Well, bless you heart. I doubt mine will see 100 hours of use, even. Unless we have a heck of a prolonged power cut.
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On Sat, 2 Oct 2010 09:24:31 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"

Many important points. These are small attached houses so the neighbors are close. Not one of them would steal it and getting it out of the backyard would be non-trivial anyway. No one else has a generator. Still, I wouldn't want a very noisy one. But if it's summer, I don't really need it as much. Winter the windows will all be closed, which is when I would need it more.
We've had a blackout three times this year, only one lasted even two days but that got annoying enough for me to think about this.
I do have natural gas but wouldn't want to think about running a line outside. Propane seems much easier to deal with given the lack of real need. Two spare tanks should cover any short term need.
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Why? A couple hundred bucks should cover the gas line; small potatoes when considering the cost of a generator. Filling LP tanks would be a RPITA and getting an LP gas company out in a disaster could be a real problem. A gallon of LP is something close to 3/4 gallon of gasoline (as a reference for the amount you're going to need). Gasoline would be easier to lug.
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Many important points. These are small attached houses so the neighbors are close. Not one of them would steal it and getting it out of the backyard would be non-trivial anyway.
CY: A chain and padlock is a good idea. Also post an armed guard (inside the house) for watch. Bring the generator in when not in use. You'd be amazed. People drive around with car windows open to listen. I know of two people in my area who have had generators stolen.
No one else has a generator. Still, I wouldn't want a very noisy one. But if it's summer, I don't really need it as much. Winter the windows will all be closed, which is when I would need it more.
CY: It's still very possible your neighbors will be jealous or angry. In the modern socialist society, anyone who is better off, needs to be pulled down. Sad, but that's the way of the world.
We've had a blackout three times this year, only one lasted even two days but that got annoying enough for me to think about this.
CY: My approach is to look at the needs, and then find creative way to meet them. Light? Flashlights. Light and heat? Fuel lamps like oil or propane lanterns. Daylight? Go to bed earlier than usual.
I do have natural gas but wouldn't want to think about running a line outside. Propane seems much easier to deal with given the lack of real need. Two spare tanks should cover any short term need.
CY: I sure hope things work out well for you. I'm curious of a couple things. Whcih generator do you buy? And is it quiet or noisy? Does it run well? Does your TV work well, or does it have a bunch of snow in the picture? How long did the fuel tank last? Please be kind enough to write, again, on thsi list. Tell us how things work out for you.
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On Mon, 4 Oct 2010 14:26:01 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"

Will do. I just checked the furnace and it's hooked directly into the house wiring somehow, not into an easy-to-deal-with plug. The first thing I need to do is take a better look at all those wires and see if I can figure out how to connect it to the generator. If not (probable), I'll need to hire an electrician. The whole idea goes out the window if I can't run the furnace off it.
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