Only the doomsayers predicting the fixes undertaken wouldn't be adequate
As dgk says, there was a _LOT_ of effort invested for quite a long time
preceding just the year or so ahead to avoid any major problems.
I'm in (or was at the time, anyway) power generation and other
industrial controls -- many, many, controllers and other pieces of gear
one outside of the area might not even think as having computers or
time-bases in them were either upgraded, modified or replaced to ensure
the grid stayed online.
Needless to say, despite all the testing there was some apprehension as
the bewitching hour approached and a lot of folks were on standby for
the just in case a component somewhere acted up and threatened to start
any other potentially cascading event.
AFAIK within the electric utilities that were EPRI members there were
only a handful of very minor incidents; none that had any bearing on
On Wed, 06 Oct 2010 12:41:02 -0500, The Daring Dufas
During the y2k rollover, I didn't have any ten year old computers. All of them
handled the year 2000 with no problem.
Did you finally get rid of those 80286 and 80386 systems you were using while
the rest of us were using Pentium Is, IIs and III's? Even 486 systems had no
problem with y2k.
In the last few years I have actually had to service some systems still
running DOS 6.22. It's a good thing I hang onto old computers so I have
parts to fix the ancient machines. The new machines won't run DOS or the
old peripherals, different interrupts and such. It's funny, the old IBM
PC's were built like tanks. Yesterday I had to decommission an old IBM
server at a department store that had a 1998 date code on the hard
drive. The server even had a beige housing. 8-)
I've never seen an x86 machine that won't boot into 6.22 happily. I use
a 6.22 utility disk (on 3.5 floppy) to scrub used machines before I
reload them. Never played with the multiple-core unobtainium
processors- mebbe that is what you are talking about. Chained under my
desk at work, I have a now-considered-old Dell c640 laptop (that has
fallen off the inventory records somehow), that I use to program radios.
The radio service software won't run under any flavor of windows. All
the hard drive has on it is 6.22 and the Motorola software. They kept
trying to dispose of it on me, and I kept explaining I needed it to keep
THEIR old walkie-talkies running. Finally they stopped asking about it,
and on the dump from the next wall-to-wall inventory, I noticed it
wasn't there any more. I'm not gonna ask questions. They can figure it
out after I retire.
And I've still got stacks of beige around here, including the machine
I'm typing this on, a 2ghz p4 frankenstein made up out of dumpster parts
and the cheapest tower case NewEgg had 5-6 years ago.
It's not that it won't boot, it the application software. The timing is
all off without screwing with the clock speeds, etc. My service laptop
is a Dell Latitude C600 because it has a real serial port for router
and telephone systems programing. I was programing Motorola hand held
radios back in the late 80's when I worked for a contractor at a missile
range, it was a pain to get a copy of the software but I managed it.
It's probably the same software you have because unlike consumer crap,
those old Motorola walkie talkies are darn near indestructible which
is why there are a lot of 30 year old radios hanging off belts of law
enforcement and construction personnel. I tried looking up those old
Motorola radios but I don't remember the model numbers. We used the
mobiles in the trucks that needed the same software if I remember to
program them. Too much to try to remember, it makes my head hurt. 8-)
My 3ghz dual core Intel will boot and run DOS also but it wont run some
of the old applications like certain POS software and games. There are
differences between the bus architecture and timing for the ISA/XT,
ISA/AT, AGP, PCI, PCI-X, etc, etc. To repeat a cliche, I've been there
done that. Many folks out there are running old DOS programs because the
software just works and does what it's supposed to do. Heck, if I
remember correctly, at one time most of the anytime teller machines were
running OS2. I don't know about now because a while back I read about
some other company taking over development of the software and renaming it.
Some years back, I installed a number of backup generators in homes and
I obtained circuit boards for DSC alarm control panels which I mounted
inside the transfer switches. The use of simple tried and true alarm
communications protocols over a POTS line was a very reliable way to
monitor the generators. Years later, they're still working and it's
considered old technology.
'Cuz they only need to pass short data bursts, rather than gooey GUI
screen images? (I know some ATMs have pictures now, but not in this part
of the country yet. And those can be locally generated in the PC inside
all modern ATMs anyway.)
On Sun, 03 Oct 2010 08:59:14 -0400, George wrote:
It was like that here during hurricane Ike. Power was off for 5 days.
AT&T cell phones didn't work but Verizon (both cell and landline) did.
Also, cable phone (Suddenlink) was off after 4 hours (backup battery
lasted that long).
83 days until The winter celebration (Saturday December 25, 2010
That is without a doubt the largest load of bullshit I have ever heard
Problems with the delivery of electricity involve some kind of failure
overhead wires being pulled down by a broken tree limb or snapped
Or by overloading underground wiring or transformers during an
condition... It is the vulnerability to damage wherever overhead
lines pass near trees and aging wooden poles with rot that make the
electrical system easier to fail during weather events...
The natural gas delivery system is entirely underground, and utility
company operations control centers are in hardened buildings which
have standby power systems... Any equipment crucial to supplying
the natural gas to customers is able to be fed from back up power
Also I love how you seem to know for certain that there is no electric
service available at a natural gas station since you have not dug up
the ground under the access road to the gas substation... Just
because you can't see something above ground within a half mile
doesn't mean its not being fed by a protected underground line from
somewhere else to increase its odds of remaining powered during an
firstname.lastname@example.org wrote the following:
...or in the NE during a widespread heavy snow or ice storm, or
hurricane. Hurricane Floyd back in 1999 took out a wide range of wired
services besides electricity, and included telephone, cable, and
internet. The outage lasted 72 hours for me. It took the help of a
number of utility companies from other inland states to restore power .
I saw the same along I-95 when returning home from Southern Delaware
after a huge snow storm there some years back (1999?). The southbound
lanes had a long convoy of utility trucks including some from my area.
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