Yep, that's me -- no brains and a lack of understanding of how the USA used
I am so glad that I have people like you around that can guide me and help
me with that. Oops, I forgot, I have no brains, so maybe having people like
you around is not a good thing. Gee, I'm so confused.
Wow! Rationing by fiat. Sounds like the Democrats health-care plan!
So, the gas station operator (doctor) says to himself: "I'm gonna go down to
the station, through the ice/snow/flying debris, so I can put up with the
maniacs, dispensing ten gallons to each and getting cussed and threatened in
return, so I can make 5¢ per gallon profit?"
"Let me think..."
As an aside, it's unlikely the station will run out of fuel. Assuming the
station has three 8,000 gallon storage tanks that start out full and each
customer gets 20 gallons of gas, that's 1,200 customers that can get
serviced. Assuming ten minutes each and five pumps, that works out to 66
hours of customer demand. If the cars can get to the station, it's likely
that the tanker truck can get there too, so the station could be replinished
long before the 60-odd hours expired.
Try doing the math again. Instead of the same 5 cents per gallon the
station would ordinarily get, they would get an an additional $1.00 per
gallon during the emergency in the plan I described. Three 8,000 gallon
tanks equals 24,000 gallons times $1.00 per gallon extra equals $24,000 for
going down there and keeping the station open with their emergency
generator during the power outage. And it doesn't take 10 minutes per 10
gallon max fill-up. And, yes, the tankers can keep delivering to the gas
stations so they do not need to run out of gas.
My point is simply that having 24,000 gallons of gas stored in each gas
station's underground tanks that cannot be used by anyone during a natural
disaster with a power outage, simply because the station doesn't have a
portable generator, is silly. My plan would require all gas stations to
have a backup generator, would pay part or all of the initial cost of the
generator setup through emergency preparedness funds, and would enable gas
stations during a declared emergency to charge more for gas during the
emergency as an incentive to stay open but without overly gouging customers.
Using government funds to benefit a specific group (gas station
owners) is outragous.
The incentive is the same one as any business: profit and loss. No
need to 'require'. No need to corrupt the public system by misspending
tax dollars for a private business.
And, finally, if people were able (willing, and understood it is
required) to be more prepared for emergencies things would go better.
Instead people look to the government to hold their hands at the
slightest provocation, and take little or no responsibility for what
As we've been discussing, get a diesel generator, a 275 gallon fuel
oil tank, keep the tank full, and don't worry about the gas stations.
And don't worry about the neighbors--if they want to come over to
watch TV, tell 'em to bring food for everyone, or just charge
In Florida gas stations are required to have emergency generators!!!
Otherwise in a evacuation people will run out of gas get stranded and
perhaps clog roads:( causing massive jams so others CANT get out:(
Really they should be REQUIRED nationwide.
Since we KNOW the terrorists WILL hit again!
any area may need evacuated and sadly our country is not
Of course we are prepared for "Man Caused Disasters". There are many
lawyers available to defend the MCD suspects and the government has
a large supply of prayer rugs, white robes, funny little knit hats and
the latest version of The Koran,...the one with the explosives making
instructions in the back. The present administration is quite prepared
to take all MCD suspects into custody and give them the same rights and
considerations as The American People they are sworn to maim and kill.
What's the problem? The Obomination is on top of it.
If one of the gas stations on a corner opens for business because the
owner/operator had the foresight to get a stand-by generator, the others
would be following shortly without the force of "require".
Again, I thank everyone for the various info and advice. One more
clarification at this point....
I do have an oil tank that I use for heating, with K1 oil. It seems that
someone one here said that you can burn k1 in a diesel, but that doesn't
sound right to me.
Because of the limitations on storing gas, I am leaning toward a propane
generator, but the diesel also sounds attractive...... it would be a strong
choice if I could use the same k1 for my heat and generator.
I have not researched it, but maybe there is some confusion in the K1
kerosene and the # 1 fuel oil. Both have been used for home heating over
the years, but not sure if there is a differance in the two or not.
On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 15:16:45 -0500, "Ralph Mowery"
Kerosene has fewer lubricants (wax) than fuel oil. Fuel oil
(residential) is basically standard diesel fuel that is not-road
taxed. It runs diesel engines just fine.
Most users use a mix of kero and fuel oil... Kero has much less heat
value than fuel oil, but for tanks that are outdoors there can be
problems with straight fuel oil freezing. The mix prevents that.
You can use some heating oils in the generators. I think it is the home
heating oil that has dye added to it so the trucks will not use the untaxed
fuel. I usually get that back wards.
I don't recall how much you wanted to put in a system. There are some
portable units that can cost a lot and some fixed units for the house that
are not all that much more. You are going to spend about $ 2000 to $ 30000
for the fixed units for a 8 to 10 kw natural gas/propane units not counting
the tanks and wiring. The portable units start around $ 500 to $ 1000 for
the 5 kw gas units.
I did see a Diesel portable unit for about $ 1400 rated at 5 kw.
but of course, # 2 is not the same as #1, which is what I have.
In my area #2 heating oil IS #2 diesel. It's dyed red and is sold for off
road use. The red dye indicates it is untaxed.
Undyed fuel is sold for road use in cars and trucks; blue dyed fuel is sold
for marine use.
No, my heater will only work with K1. They caution strongly against using
any other type of fuel.
I will seek info from the maker to see if the diesel can run on #1. But, I
am not finding many diesel type generators in my range of 8 kw.
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