# Portable Home Generator Questions

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• posted on January 23, 2010, 3:06 pm

Yep, that's me -- no brains and a lack of understanding of how the USA used to work.
I am so glad that I have people like you around that can guide me and help me with that. Oops, I forgot, I have no brains, so maybe having people like you around is not a good thing. Gee, I'm so confused.

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• posted on January 23, 2010, 4:09 pm
On Jan 23, 8:38 am, "Stormin Mormon"

Its a no brainer all righty, stormins no brainer.
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• posted on January 23, 2010, 7:13 pm
Jay-T wrote:

Wow! Rationing by fiat. Sounds like the Democrats health-care plan!
So, the gas station operator (doctor) says to himself: "I'm gonna go down to the station, through the ice/snow/flying debris, so I can put up with the maniacs, dispensing ten gallons to each and getting cussed and threatened in return, so I can make 5¢ per gallon profit?"
"Let me think..."
As an aside, it's unlikely the station will run out of fuel. Assuming the station has three 8,000 gallon storage tanks that start out full and each customer gets 20 gallons of gas, that's 1,200 customers that can get serviced. Assuming ten minutes each and five pumps, that works out to 66 hours of customer demand. If the cars can get to the station, it's likely that the tanker truck can get there too, so the station could be replinished long before the 60-odd hours expired.
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• posted on January 24, 2010, 4:26 am

Try doing the math again. Instead of the same 5 cents per gallon the station would ordinarily get, they would get an an additional \$1.00 per gallon during the emergency in the plan I described. Three 8,000 gallon tanks equals 24,000 gallons times \$1.00 per gallon extra equals \$24,000 for going down there and keeping the station open with their emergency generator during the power outage. And it doesn't take 10 minutes per 10 gallon max fill-up. And, yes, the tankers can keep delivering to the gas stations so they do not need to run out of gas.
My point is simply that having 24,000 gallons of gas stored in each gas station's underground tanks that cannot be used by anyone during a natural disaster with a power outage, simply because the station doesn't have a portable generator, is silly. My plan would require all gas stations to have a backup generator, would pay part or all of the initial cost of the generator setup through emergency preparedness funds, and would enable gas stations during a declared emergency to charge more for gas during the emergency as an incentive to stay open but without overly gouging customers.
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• posted on January 24, 2010, 1:54 pm
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Require is a difficult thing.

Using government funds to benefit a specific group (gas station owners) is outragous.

The incentive is the same one as any business: profit and loss. No need to 'require'. No need to corrupt the public system by misspending tax dollars for a private business.
And, finally, if people were able (willing, and understood it is required) to be more prepared for emergencies things would go better. Instead people look to the government to hold their hands at the slightest provocation, and take little or no responsibility for what happens.
As we've been discussing, get a diesel generator, a 275 gallon fuel oil tank, keep the tank full, and don't worry about the gas stations. And don't worry about the neighbors--if they want to come over to watch TV, tell 'em to bring food for everyone, or just charge admission!
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• posted on January 24, 2010, 2:46 pm
In Florida gas stations are required to have emergency generators!!!
Otherwise in a evacuation people will run out of gas get stranded and perhaps clog roads:( causing massive jams so others CANT get out:(
Really they should be REQUIRED nationwide.
Since we KNOW the terrorists WILL hit again!
any area may need evacuated and sadly our country is not prepared.......
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• posted on January 24, 2010, 9:14 pm
Another liberal demanding that government force business to spend money. You're Un-American.
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• posted on January 27, 2010, 4:36 am
snipped-for-privacy@aol.com wrote:

Of course we are prepared for "Man Caused Disasters". There are many lawyers available to defend the MCD suspects and the government has a large supply of prayer rugs, white robes, funny little knit hats and the latest version of The Koran,...the one with the explosives making instructions in the back. The present administration is quite prepared to take all MCD suspects into custody and give them the same rights and considerations as The American People they are sworn to maim and kill. What's the problem? The Obomination is on top of it.
TDD
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• posted on January 24, 2010, 3:26 pm

If one of the gas stations on a corner opens for business because the owner/operator had the foresight to get a stand-by generator, the others would be following shortly without the force of "require".
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• posted on January 24, 2010, 7:47 pm
Again, I thank everyone for the various info and advice. One more clarification at this point....
I do have an oil tank that I use for heating, with K1 oil. It seems that someone one here said that you can burn k1 in a diesel, but that doesn't sound right to me.
Because of the limitations on storing gas, I am leaning toward a propane generator, but the diesel also sounds attractive...... it would be a strong choice if I could use the same k1 for my heat and generator.
Thanks
James
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• posted on January 24, 2010, 7:58 pm

My understanding is K1 is kerosene. A good friend uses K1 in his oil burning furnace in a pinch
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• posted on January 24, 2010, 8:16 pm

I have not researched it, but maybe there is some confusion in the K1 kerosene and the # 1 fuel oil. Both have been used for home heating over the years, but not sure if there is a differance in the two or not.
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• posted on January 24, 2010, 9:57 pm
On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 15:16:45 -0500, "Ralph Mowery"

Kerosene has fewer lubricants (wax) than fuel oil. Fuel oil (residential) is basically standard diesel fuel that is not-road taxed. It runs diesel engines just fine.
Most users use a mix of kero and fuel oil... Kero has much less heat value than fuel oil, but for tanks that are outdoors there can be problems with straight fuel oil freezing. The mix prevents that.
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• posted on January 24, 2010, 8:05 pm

The use of K1 would depend on the diesel engine. Some can burn K1 -kerosene- some cannot. Can you burn #2 heating oil in your heater?
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• posted on January 24, 2010, 8:14 pm

You can use some heating oils in the generators. I think it is the home heating oil that has dye added to it so the trucks will not use the untaxed fuel. I usually get that back wards.
I don't recall how much you wanted to put in a system. There are some portable units that can cost a lot and some fixed units for the house that are not all that much more. You are going to spend about \$ 2000 to \$ 30000 for the fixed units for a 8 to 10 kw natural gas/propane units not counting the tanks and wiring. The portable units start around \$ 500 to \$ 1000 for the 5 kw gas units. I did see a Diesel portable unit for about \$ 1400 rated at 5 kw.
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• posted on January 24, 2010, 9:16 pm
Please do some internet research, and make a few calls. I've used kerosene in a fuel oil furnace. Fuel oil and diesel are close enough to be interchangale, though not for on the road use.
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• posted on January 24, 2010, 9:42 pm

road use. The red dye indicates it is untaxed. Undyed fuel is sold for road use in cars and trucks; blue dyed fuel is sold for marine use.
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• posted on January 24, 2010, 9:52 pm
but of course, # 2 is not the same as #1, which is what I have.
James ---------------------------------------- In my area #2 heating oil IS #2 diesel. It's dyed red and is sold for off road use. The red dye indicates it is untaxed. Undyed fuel is sold for road use in cars and trucks; blue dyed fuel is sold for marine use.
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• posted on January 25, 2010, 12:06 am

can run on #1, as I already posted. I also asked if your heater could run on #2.
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• posted on January 25, 2010, 1:47 am
No, my heater will only work with K1. They caution strongly against using any other type of fuel.
I will seek info from the maker to see if the diesel can run on #1. But, I am not finding many diesel type generators in my range of 8 kw.
James