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On 5/20/2016 4:40 PM, Mayayana wrote:

My laptop is XP, and is fine thus far. No nagging about Win 10 on it.
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On 21/05/2016 04:52, Muggles wrote:

I suspect your laptop is too old to run Windows 10
Read here: http://www.zdnet.com/article/windows-10-will-your-pc-run-it/
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On 5/21/2016 1:51 AM, David B. wrote:

I don't want to put Win10 on it anyway, so, I guess it's a good thing it's too old for Win10.
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| My laptop is XP, and is fine thus far. No nagging about Win 10 on it. |
The "free offer" of Win10 doesn't apply to XP. I just mentioned that in terms of update choices. XP SP3 is important and most software/hardware requires it, but I've never updated an XP machine beyond that, and now there are no more XP updates, anyway -- unless you're a big company willing to pay shockingly large fees to Microsoft to get them. In other words, MS is still updating XP. They're just not letting XP customers have those updates!
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Why are you asking what does M$ want? You should be asking, "When do I get an operating system that updates precisely when I tell it to update?"
BTW, the answer is: Linux. ;)
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Muggles wrote:

Download and run a program called "GWX Control Panel" at http://www.majorgeeks.com/files/details/gwx_control_panel.html . First thing O did when we got a Win7 laptop for the wife . It works . Also, as Don Y has said , check the KB description of EVERY update M$ shoves at you - the one that came out a couple of days ago had "optional" updates that all pointed towards forcing W10 on us . Ain't happenin' here if I can prevent it . Actually that's the only comp here at risk , all the rest are running XP . That one would be if I could find XP drivers for it ...
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On 5/20/2016 9:13 PM, Terry Coombs wrote:

That's a neat tool. thanks!
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On 05/20/2016 09:50 PM, Muggles wrote:

Hopefully it keeps working. It went through a few iterations as M$ played cat and mouse with the developers. M$ is nothing if not persistent.
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On 05/20/2016 03:04 PM, Muggles wrote:

No, they're too coy. It will say something like KB342324 with some nondescript verbiage. You have to know the KB numbers, uninstall them if you're already infected, and put them on the ignore list.
Last summer the 'we'll download this just in case you want 10' exceeded my data plan cap and cost me $20 for a couple of GB of stuff I didn't want. I removed the annoying KB's that put the button on the toolbar. They came back. So I turned off Windows Update completely. The laptop hums on.
A lot of patches are for that malware magnet IE which I never use -- except for Windows Update. Two birds one stone.
I'll see how it goes after the free cutoff. Supposedly M$ is rolling the Win7 patches into a cumulative patch for all those people that haven't update for a year or so.
YMMV.
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On 5/20/2016 9:47 PM, rbowman wrote:

If I don't need to update anything ( I don't use IE any more ), I'll just leave off the updates indefinitely.
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Thu, 19 May 2016 05:19:29 GMT in alt.home.repair, wrote:

I had an older HP deskjet. I just plugged it into a free USB port, within seconds, it was available for use. Had no problems printing from libre office. I have several linux machines and several Windows based machines. They share files back and forth just fine...Samba and gvfs. Took little work to configure them. If you can configure a small adhoc windows network to share folders across them, you can do the same with a linux box...
As far as ACL hassle...
http://preview.tinyurl.com/m2ehtdr

That's one way to look at it, certainly. Another is that you have more choice and more options.
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It's bullshit by an XP user who has no experience with Win 10. I've been using Win 10 since it was released. Once I turned the data collection off, it was no longer "spying" on me. I don't see any ads. Never. I had no problem installing my old apps. I've never rented anything, nor been asked to. Here's your alternative: Linux.
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On 5/18/2016 7:39 PM, Vic Smith wrote:

with Win 10. Easy to turn off their tracking.
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On 5/18/2016 4:39 PM, Vic Smith wrote:

And you know this *how*?? If you're connected to the internet and don't have a separate piece of hardware NOT CONTROLLED BY MS then you're just *hoping*.
Hint: I can sneak data through damn near any "physical firewall" you can install between your machine and the outside world. And, unless you can examine the source code that is doing this, you'd be hard pressed to notice it ("Oh, I've got Microsoft blocked on my firewall...")

And you KNOW that your searches are never influenced by information that has been gleaned from the observations of your behavior that you THINK were turned off?
And you fully expect this behavior to continue for the indefinite future? Because MS *guaranteed* you that you'd always be able to turn off ALL tracking? (you can point out that clause in the EULA, right? As this is the CONTRACT that you accepted with MS)
So, you've turned off future updates (cuz MS can change the software running on your machine with any of those updates -- including software that effectively ignores all those registry changes that you made to disable the tracking). And, hope the installed software doesn't "sleep" waiting to enable some feature at a future date that *it* has decided is appropriate (and, you know this, how?)
[Set up a machine, not connected to the internet. Use it for a few days/weeks/months. Plug in a network cable and it "suddenly" suggests you need to turn on Updates! Gee, why didn't it do that many days earlier??]

Does your old scanner, printer, FAX modem, etc. work? What about the drivers for that special mouse? Or, wireless keyboard? Any features disappear in the process? Is that four-headed video card still supported?

Is there some reason XP doesn't work? SWMBO runs W2KS without any problems. (OhMiGosh!)
Or, OS/X?
Or any of the *BSD OS's (Linux is technically just a kernel; of very little use without the accompanying distro)?
The OS isn't the issue. The *applications* are the issue.
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| It's bullshit by an XP user who has no experience with Win 10.
I have used Win10. In fact, I recently spent some time finding Internet Explorer on my brother's new computer. He couldn't find it, because MS wants you to use Edge. It turned out that IE was in Program Files, but there was no link on the Start Menu.
| I've been using Win 10 since it was released. | Once I turned the data collection off, it was no longer "spying" | on me.
Not true. But I'm not going to force you to hear what you don't want to know. The information is out there for anyone who wants to know.
http://www.helpsec.net/a-traffic-analysis-of-windows-10
| I don't see any ads. Never.
Be patient. To some extent much of the general design is ads. For instance, pushing people to get a Microsoft ID and showing services or "suggestions" on the Start Menu. More direct ads are undoubtedly planned. They're making no secret of their plan to provide Windows as a service. If you don't pay for it then how else are they going to get paid but through ads and selling your private data?
http://www.infoworld.com/article/2986326/microsoft-windows/windows-10-let-the-start-menu-ads-begin.html
| I had no problem installing my old apps.
Most older software should run on Win10. That's a good aspect. Microsoft have always been good about backward compatibility because that's important to business. Businesses write in-house software with Microsoft tools and they won't update Windows if their software breaks.
I write software with Visual Studio 6, from 1998, and it runs fine on all Windows versions.
| I've never rented anything, nor been asked to.
Do you know about Office 365? Photoshop? Adobe's Photoshop and the rest of their design "suite" can no longer be purchased. The only option is rental. Both Office 365 and Photoshop still install locally. They're too complex to really be online services. But they're set up to appear to be online services.
What I was writing about is the general trend. Windows 10 is a dramatic, almost violent transition toward software-as-a-service. But it's only one step in a gradual process that's been going on for years. Product activation, restrictions on access and control of files, telemetry.... those are all part of the process. They're not going to lock you out tomorrow, but you're already locked out a great deal more than you were on XP.
In 1999 Microsoft was caught checking the Registry for personal info when people logged onto Windows Update. There was outrage. Microsoft promised to stop. With Windows 10 Microsoft does not even allow you to control Windows Update and you can't control the system calling home. Windows 10 will be whatever they decide it is. If they decide you'll have ads on the Desktop next year then that's what you'll have. It's not your choice. And you agreed to it.
http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/privacystatement/default.aspx
http://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/servicesagreement/default.aspx
If you like Win10 that's fine, but you shouldn't be reassuring other people about a topic you haven't informed yourself about.
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On 5/18/2016 3:32 PM, mike wrote:

I see friends moving to Apple every week! None of them have complained that they've "lost something" (capability).
There's nothing wrong with continuing to use an older version of Windows -- *if* you don't neeed to chase the latest version of a particular application!
I.e., do you really need Office 2016? Is there something that Office 4.2 can't do for which you need the newer version? [I'll be upgrading SWMBO's machine to XP from W2KS in the next few weeks. Her biggest prerequisite was that it continue to run the OLD version of Office that she has installed -- else she'll have to "fix" her various databases, etc.]
You can send mail with the same software that ran under older versions of windows (IMAP support might be sketchy). And, browse the internet. None of these things really "needs" Windows -- you could just as easily be using any other OS.
If you're more technologically inclined, you can move to one of the Eunices (free or otherwise). The OS is just a framework to support applications. What you should be asking yourself is which *applications* you need/want. Then, *where* those will run.
E.g., I can run FrameMaker (a desktop publishing app) under Windows, NeXTSTEP, AIX, Solaris, etc. (depending on which version I want). OTOH, OrCAD has a much smaller universe :<
OTOH, the software development tools that I use run best on NON-windows machines as they were developed long before Windows had matured enough to support their level of complexity.
For folks who just send mail, browse the web and read USENET, the OS is inconsequential (assuming it is ONLY doing what you've asked of it and not "helping it's parent company" at your expense.)
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On 5/18/2016 8:16 PM, Don Y wrote:

I bought MS Office because a client could not see images embedded in docs from Open Office or Libre Office. Figured for maybe $125 it was not worth the aggravation of trying to work around and besides its tax deductible as a business expense.
Was extremely irritating as I bought it from Amazon who hooks you to MS to get it and it did not load properly. I had to call MS, turn machine over to them and have them do it. They got it working fine but made me generate a new pw to get on my computer and changed the opening screen. This has been a year or two ago and I recall other option was annual renting of MS Office. Personally I have not seen any improvement over when I had it before, don't like the cloud as first option for saving doc and while Open Office and Libre Office can read all their stuff, MS Office cannot even read its own very old documents.
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On 5/19/2016 10:59 AM, Frank wrote:

So much for "compatible", eh? :>

I've not owned a copy of Office since the 4.2 days (W3.1? W95?). It was the perfect example of MS thinking they knew better than I how to solve *my* problem. At the time, I purchased Ventura Publisher to prepare my documents (including business correspondence!). And, decided DTP was the right way to go for these authoring needs; Office (Word) was way too bloated for small documents; and pretty inept for large ones (e.g., 500+ pages)

This is known as "utter contempt for customers". :> Let's not make this easy for the customer OR a pleasant experience. Let's, instead, make it easy for *us*!

You don't even have to add "very" when talking about "old"! MS has never been particularly good at supporting its own formats! You'd have a better chance with a third party application "importing" the document -- and possibly saving it in a NEW Office format!
More examples of having to rebuy, relearn, redo stuff that you already thought was BEHIND you!
FrameMaker (DTP) has had a consistent interface language for years. I can read version 5 documents in a version 13 program. And, if I chose to save in that interface language/format, I can freely move changes made in the 13 version BACK to the 5 version.
The same sort of thing is true with AutoCAD.
These folks have made a commitment to this ability so you don't mind the thousands of dollars involved (well, you mind it a lot less than you would if it was MS abandonware!)
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On 05/19/2016 12:25 PM, Don Y wrote:

Can't do it with gVim it don't need doing.
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On 5/19/2016 7:17 PM, rbowman wrote:

(sigh) I wish that were the case. But, even my small "tutorials" are typically 50 pp.
For my current project, lots of different media involved in the documentation -- yet all packaged in PDF "containers". E.g., want to know the difference between a back vowel and front vowel? Here's the back... and here's the front. Wanna know what voice "creak" sounds like? Adjust this slider and click "PLAY"... Wanna know what the "help" gesture looks like? Click "PLAY" and watch the animation.
Etc.
In my case, I won't be available to "clarify things" so I have to make sure I can present all the necessary information as unambiguously as possible. I've a fair bit of experience reading other folks' documentation and have been sorely disappointed by the lack of clarity. As the original authors aren't available, that leaves me floundering trying to GUESS at their intent.
<frown> You'd think folks would want their work to be understood and *used* (else, why publish it??)
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