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I didn't go and take unemployment when I was without a job for 3 months, but we did take WIC when we qualified. And now we are taking Social Security which we paid into for something like 40 years.
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On 4/26/2012 10:46 AM, Han wrote:

I see so many people who have been pulled into the disability industry by lawyers who often get 40% or more of the first big check from Social Security with the remainder of the money going to booze, illegal drugs and partying. The majority of the people I see getting disability checks are able-bodied enough to hold down a regular job without a problem and many of them classified as mentally disabled. The first of every month the dope dealers come calling after the check cashing store gets their cut and when the government check money is exhausted, the recipient sells their food stamps/EBT funds for 50cents on the dollar so they can buy more cigarettes, booze and dope. Amazing what FREE money does to folks isn't it? o_O
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No, you just pay for it differently.
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On 4/8/2012 7:05 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

Their medical personnel are slaves who work for no pay and all medicine and medical supplies are provided by the medical fairy who waves its magic wand and sprinkles pixie dust so the items just appear before your eyes. ^_^
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On 4/22/2012 9:09 AM, The Daring Dufas wrote:

What I don't is understand why I had to pay over $300 in co-pays for a test that routinely saves the insurance company billions. When I was in a HMO plan *all* screens were *always* no cost to me. In fact, I had little out of pocket, period.
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gonjah <gonjah.net> wrote:

The average person stays with an insurance for less than 5 years while most of these screenings take 20 years or more to show up. Hard for Aetna to justify paying for a test that will benefit United Healthcare. This was made worse over the roughly the same time span by people leaving employers at least as often meaning the employers (who are the REAL customers of the insurance companies and not thee and me) had little incentive to pay for such things. HMOs also skewed the demand curve for health care by hiding so much of the real costs and cementing the idea that people were entitled to free healthcare. Your comment sorta brings that out. Why should YOU have to pay for a screening test that would save the insurance company billions? The real question is why should the insurance company pay for a screening test that will impact on YOUR health. The theory is that my health is somehow the responsibility of the insurance company (is not at all rare).
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On 4/22/2012 10:19 AM, Kurt Ullman wrote:

Good comment. Not sure I totally agree with the HMO comment but do they have their faults. Without a doubt, we had our best coverage under Lovelace and Presbyterian HMO's in New Mexico. Very big on screens.
IMO "we" are the primary care givers for our own healthcare which is why I vehemently oppose national heathcare. I think we agree on the main issue. A lot of good it does to have national hc and eat "bangers and mash" each morning for breakfast. That's just BS. I can't understand why so many people don't get it. My bro complains about hc while he's puffing on a ciggy.
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On Sun, 22 Apr 2012 10:33:19 -0500, gonjah <gonjah.net> wrote:

It's already here, and has been for a long time. If you're "vehement," you should be out there picketing against Medicare and Medicaid. And if you're in charge of your own health care, quit whining about $300 in co-pays. Makes you sound like a commie.
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On 4/22/2012 5:37 PM, Vic Smith wrote:

Hummmm Reading impaired? How much of a copay for your head injury?
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On Sun, 22 Apr 2012 17:55:33 -0500, gonjah <gonjah.net> wrote:

Hummm? What the hell kind of word is that? And you say *I* have a brain injury? Nope. You were whining about $300 in co-pays, weren't you? Why is that? Sounds like somebody else is subsidizing you. You said you're vehemently opposed to national health care, but the gov is already providing at least 50% of all health care costs. Health care is already a socialist "enterprise." If you stand by your words, and are sincerely "vehement," you should be doing all you can to erase the blight of Medicare and Medicaid. Hope you're not one of these old nut jobs on Medicare who think you're not already on "national health care." You know, "Keep your filthy government hands off my Medicare!" Now I'll get off this, and expect you to come out and say you want Medicare and Medicaid abolished. That gives you a chance to save face.
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On 4/22/2012 6:42 PM, Vic Smith wrote:

That's PRIVATE INSURANCE. Get someone to explain it to you. ;)
Besides it was a question. No whining unless you want to read it that way. Go look at the responses and my response.

Huh? Are you from Canada?

Yeah. Vehement is a strong word, but I mean it relatively. I've been against big government all my life. I think it began in the 4th or 5th grade. You know: paper route, sold seeds door to door, Grit, worked at the Circle K before it was legal. Never excepted hand outs and we were poor. Always relied on family and we were proud of it.
My wife and I take very good care of ourselves. We swim and I have to do 30 mins on the tread mill after this post. But yeah I'm a old nut job.

Oh yeah. Fu_k medicare and federal portion of medicaid. We can fight with our state legislature.
I feel very strongly about that. I'm beyond most conservatives when it comes to limiting the size of our government. I'm so far to the right I can only classify myself as a Libertarian. Don't let "gonjah" fool you. I'm stone cold sober. ;)
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No, Illinois. Sorry I called your comments about co-pays "whining." That was snarky of me. BTW, I have a PRIVATE INSURANCE plan too. United Healthcare Medicare Advantage. Traded as UNH on the NYSE. My premium is paid to UNH by the U.S. taxpayer. So much for PRIVATE INSURANCE.
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On 4/22/2012 8:25 PM, Vic Smith wrote:

Sorry?
I just recently decided to eliminate the "s" word from my vocabulary:
after I heard these lines from "Cat On A Hot Tin Roof":
"Whatever you did, don't apologize.
Just don't do it again.
If you didn't do it, start doing it."
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Yup. Sneaky buggers.
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Good line. Don't think I'll use Williams' drug and alcohol loaded characters as my guides for conduct though. Maybe Ann Landers or Miss Manners work better for that. But my mama taught me enough - when I remember.
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"My own family was poor when I was kid, although I didn't know it; I just thought we were broke. What we managed to escape in 1966 in Squaresville, Ohio was not poverty. We had that. What we managed to escape is help."
-PJ O'Rourke

Well one does not preclude the other (grin).
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gonjah wrote:

Because the test may show a disease/defect in one out of a million tests while costing $3,000.
If the malady is allowed to come to fruition, that is, it becomes obvious and costs only $5,000 to treat, why would the insurance company pay out $3 trillion to save $5k?
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On 4/22/2012 4:16 PM, HeyBub wrote:

Yeah. I see your point. Some of tests are expensive, in themselves, and doctors can run too many, too often. The physicals and blood-work are still "no co-pay" AFAICT. Or at least a low co-pay.
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On 4/22/2012 9:25 AM, gonjah wrote:

HMO, Health Maintenance Organization. Perhaps the reason is in the name? ^_^
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On 4/22/2012 10:09 AM, The Daring Dufas wrote:

I know people in the UK that get extra medical insurance from their company so they can get services sooner. They will use it to pay the doctor who will take a day's vacation to tend to them.
Otherwise they wait months to see necessary specialists or get something done.
I've heard similar stories from Canada. This was years ago but doctors would work weekends in private hospitals where they could make real money.
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On Sun, 22 Apr 2012 12:37:42 -0400, Frank

That sounds totally unfair and capitalistic! How dare they buy good care while their comrades suffer. We should send Obama to help them.
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