" snipped-for-privacy@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz" wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@4ax.com:
I had that done as part of a research study - it didn't cost me anything. As expected, it was not too helpful because I don't have sleep apnea, just wake up too many times, probably not related either to the bit of BPH I have.
Obviously spoken like a typical socialist who is against free markets. Why do you have a problem with folks being able to see prices and choosing? Do you just walk into a car dealer and say "I'll take an SUV, I don't care what it costs?" And you don't see a problem when the cost of an appendectomy without complications costs anywhere from $1500 to $182,000?
If I'm paying out of pocket, it may be important to know. With insurance, are you going to shop around? You have a policy that states what you will pay, usually a fixed co-pay. It is the business of the insurance company to negotiate a price and that has nothing to do with your cost.
I see the statements from my providers. The amount billed and the amount paid are far different. I still pay the same out of pocket.
Other factors in choosing a hospital are your doctors. If the doctor you want to perform surgery is not a practicing physician at that facility, you rely on the staff docs. That may or may not be a good choice.
About 18 months ago, my wife went into the hospital for a simple outpatient procedure that would have released her by lunch time.. She came home a week later with a bill for about $80,000.
It is a complex situation that is not going to be cured with a simple price list.
I have an HSA with a high deductible so it pays me to shop around when possible. There is a fairly large difference between docs even within Blue Cross' preferred provider base. Sorta surprised me.
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not at all. I believe that oil companies should have the freedom to pollute water any time they want and the lawyers will earn money suing them. I'm also in favor of companies sneaking products (albeit it isn't harmful, just sneaky) like pink slime into our ground beef and then the free market leveled the field. In fact if you look closely, most environmentalists that fight the good fight are just using the free market to make their point.
nothing, it's actually the law
of course not, SUVs are for soccer moms. but I also don't go to an auto dealer for an appendectomy
in general as it is not likely that I'll pay for that operation, that's what insurance is for, wouldn't the free market cause the insurance companies to manage how much they will pay and just let us go get the help we want/need?
seems like all you are really saying is that the free market doesn't work.
I have regular insurance with a high deductible, though I even tried to find out what these procedures cost when I just had a small co-pay. Why waste even the insurance company's money. It's not free, anymore than government money is.
and if you had been able to find out, how would that have changed your relationship with your hospital?
Heck, Mr. Bladder wakes me up with an average 16oz/475cc purge. When I take HCTZ it can be 20oz/600cc. Last year I had severe edema and after getting on HCTZ and Lisinopril, I lost 50lbs in two weeks for a total of 60lbs in one month. I asked my roommate, "Does this edema make my butt look big?" ^_^
TDD
The Daring Dufas wrote in news:jn7q8i$qeq$ snipped-for-privacy@dont-email.me:
Only take hydrochlorothiazide in the morning ... And thanks for the TMI on the volumes.
You do realize that pink slime was still pure beef and was used w/o problems until someone got upset and gave it its name and then some reporter grabbed hold of the "slime" part and ran with it. There has never been any indication in studies or otherwise that it was bad for you or less than pure.
I would suggest that there is NO free market in health care and hasn't been since WWII when the responsibility for health insurance was taken away from me (figuratively, I ain't that old) and given to my employer. The last figures I saw showed that we pay less than 20% of all health care costs (including the premium for the insurance) out of our own pockets. How can anything where the payment for services (by employer) and user of services (you and me) are so completely divorced be considered a remotely free market. Add in the 80% subsidy...
Simple. If the hospital's charges are out of line, choose another hospital. Geez.
Yeah, spoken like a true lib loon.
Thanks for proving my point. Nothing there says it's the law. In fact they say this:
"In March 2012 the GAO issed a new report: HEALTHCARE PRICE TRANSPARENCY: Meaningful Price Information Is Difficult for Consumers to Obtain Prior to Receiving Care=97In this report GAO examined (1) how various factors affect the availability of health care price information for consumers and (2) the information selected public and private health care price transparency initiatives make available to consumers. "
Apparently you don't understand the difference between proposals, pending legislation, law and what is actually going on. Show me a hospital in NJ that has a website that shows their prices for routine procedures and services.
That depends on your definition of "pure". That stuff has to be processed with ammonia gas to make it edible. Used to be fit only for dog food. I don't consider that as very pure, but go ahead, enjoy it. I'd rather grind my own beef and know where it came from
The ammonia gas was used to kill off e.coli and nothing else. Ammonia is used in many forms in other food. Under this particular standard the ammonia compounds that are used as leavening agents in baked goods and as an acidity controller in cheese and sometimes chocolate should mean those go too? "Pink Slime" has been in the food chain for almost 20 years with no problems. No links to any disease. No links to outbreaks of problems. In fact when it first came out, it was looked upon with favor since it was viewed as healthier (the Dreaded Ammonia--- long noted by the FDA as an acceptable food additive-- killed the e. coli and other Nasties).
This sorta illustrates the issue best: ³It¹s substantively not the most critical health issue, yet it was framed in such a way that the public outcry actually changed food policy in a matter of weeks,² said Sarah Klein, a lawyer at the Center for Science in the Public Interest. ³If we could figure out the formula and apply it to ***serious public health issues***, that would be amazing.² (Emphasis mine of course).
Heck, even the ambulance chasers are unimpressed: Bill Marler, a Seattle lawyer who has built a business out of suing meat companies, said BPI¹s lean beef is safe enough. ³It¹s not any more or less dangerous than anything else in hamburger,² Marler said.
Or decide the procedure isn't worth the money. Those decisions are made about every other aspect of our lives but when it comes to "health care" someone else will pay. It's easy for most (particularly lefties) to spend other people's money.
I didn't say it bad for you, just a sneak attempt to put a processed product (and yes, the pink slime is processed) in an otherwise raw product. It's the labeling.
that wasn't the question. Geez
It was labeled exactly as how the FDA said it was supposed to be and had been for around 20 years. Besides ALL meat is processed unless you personally cut it off the animal yourself. It was nothing but beef that had been put in a machine to spin it off the bone. Nothing was added as the ammonia treatment was removed prior to packaging.
this isn't true. the meat is heated twice in the process. is any of your ground beef heated in the process?
as long as the wind blows east to west
It's the law in CA, I gave the cite. The fact that the hospitals don't follow the law is good news for republican lawyers. The cite I provided stated that the prices are posted on a CA.GOV site, but hospitals aren't as diligent with posting it on their sites.
Capiche?
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