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You mean taken over, Chavez style.
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But they still came out of it without Fed help. Largely because their management saw the problems and addressed them ahead of time.. barely. Ford had better management overall.

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On Jun 10, 11:59 am, snipped-for-privacy@optonline.net wrote:

A relief well wouldn't necessarily be drilled as far as the production well. It wouldn't take three months to drill it to a useful depth. Hindsight, though.

We already know there were serious shortcuts made.

Not going to happen, unless Obama forces it. There is a *lot* of money there. ...so far only exceeded by incompetence.
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All predrilling a relief well would accomplish is having twice the risk of a leak.
The problem was the shutoff grommit was damaged by drilling too fast and ignored when bits and pieces of it were discovered in the drilling fluid, the backup shutoff failure was ignored, and the drilling fluid was extracted before the final safety plugs were in place when withdrawing the drill.
BP made some very bad decisions trying to get the well online a few weeks early. Since then they've wasted too much time trying to save the well.
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The other thing is that no one actually on the platform appeared to be able to institute some of the emergency measures. While it is probably impossible to tell how much additional this caused, you would think when time is critical, the policies would just say do it.
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On 6/10/2010 11:37 AM AZ Nomad spake thus:

A couple weeks ago, 60 minutes had a guy on who survived the blowout; jumped into the sea (and burning oil) from the platform deck, some 90 feet or so if I remember correctly.
He said that what destroyed the seal way down there at the BOP was that they had clamped that big old O-ring, I think as part of a pressure test, and then someone had mistakenly withdrawn the drill rod or casing while it was clamped. It was after that that they discovered chunks of the broken seal coming up the drill pipe. He said he had some of the chunks in his hand, and when he showed them to his foreman, he was told not to worry about it.
Even though they (60 Minutes) had illustrations showing the BOP and that seal, they were a bit hazy on the exact details. I'd be curious to see a better explanation of what happened.

Yep.
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David Nebenzahl wrote: <snip>

here's a list of other near misses
http://www.theoildrum.com/node/6543
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That part of the world is no stranger to O-ring accidents as in Challenger.
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On 6/12/2010 6:57 AM Robert Green spake thus:

Maybe, but this one was different. Apparently it wasn't a manufacturing defect but operator error that caused the seal to fail.
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yeah and when brought to management attention they didnt care saying dont worry about it
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On 6/12/2010 1:52 PM snipped-for-privacy@aol.com spake thus:
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Yes; operator error compounded by mismanagement.
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Challenger.
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The mode of failure is irrelevant to the dead people from both disasters. It might be useful in determining how to prevent future failures.
It's coming to light that the latest coal mining disaster was cause by a failure to properly correct safety violations (mainly venting) and the spoken out loud "profits matter more than safety" attitude.
http://www.msha.gov/performancecoal/performancecoal.asp
Look at the bottom of the page for the PDF that details some of the lists of violations that Massey accrued and you'll see why 29 people died. Massey was recently in the Supreme Court in a case about whether a judge's failure to recuse himself from a case in which he received substantial campaign donations from one of the parties violates the Due Process rights of the other party. In other words, did Massey try to buy a judge by giving him over $1M in campaign funds knowing he would be deciding their case? IMHO, that Massey case is a poster child for restricting companies from contributing unlimited amounts in political races.
http://www.scotuswiki.com/index.php?title Κperton_v._A.T._Massey_Coal_Company,_Inc.,_et_al.
It's already pretty clear that some companies back candidates that promise less regulation, whether it's fiscal or safety related. It's especially troubling in near monopolies like Comcast. They have the capacity to spend enormous amounts of money (and use any free time on their network) to influence people to vote for legislators that will allow Comcast to maintain its near monopoly. They can charge their customers and their stockholders for the cost of "buying politicians" which has some pretty bad implications for society. Just look at Senator "Disney" Hollings:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,47296,00.html
he didn't get his name for nothing.
Without proper government regulation, we would have 6 year olds working in the mines because they are small and can fit into tight spaces. Regulation became a dirty word in the last ten years but no one would want to live in a world where businesses could run absolutely wild without oversight. It would be a world flooded with laundry balls, fake mail order drugs, one-sided contracts, mine disasters, oil spills and ever-decreasing quality. Wait, that's US! (-:
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Challenger.
But still, Dude. Two of the historically biggest disasters down in the SE US (aside from the perpetual hurricane blights) and it's O-rings both times.
It sounds a little bit like "the Butler Did It" to those not familar with what O-rings are asked to do and the environments they are expected to do them in.
Maybe we should rename them "Uh oh" rings . . .
-- Bobby G.
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http://www.geologytimes.com/research/Natural_petroleum_seeps_release_equivalent_of_eight_to_80_Exxon_Valdez_oil_spills.asp
There are natural seeps, especially from quakes, but microorganisms digest them before they do damage. (Heck, wher edo you think Noah found the stuff he caulked the Ark with? After all, he was in the Middle East.) The problem here is the system is being surprised and overwhelmed. What I wonder is why don't they go to all the known natural seeps and collect some of the microorganisms that digest them and put them near this spill. Very oftne what controls the growth of such microorganism colonies is the availability of food (or they drown in their own waste products, the way yeast kill themselves during fermentation).
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On Thu, 10 Jun 2010 21:02:08 +0000 (UTC), snipped-for-privacy@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com wrote:

Video: Dr Russ Chianelli interview.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCYnEzMeCi4

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