According to a 2004 study (United States Fire Administration), there were
about 16 fire deaths each year attributed to burglar bars or similar
impediments. There are over two million burglaries in the U.S. each year.
You do the math for your own situation.
On 5/16/2012 10:12 AM, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
I agree....bars sufficient to keep out burglars may also keep out
fire/rescue folks. Happens every now and then, esp in high-crime
neighborhoods. I rather like the idea of a "safe room" (especially in a
rural area) with a sturdy door and a cell phone that stays charged and
in the room.
And why not a 200' tunnel from the safe room in case the burglars
brought a couple cans of gas to torch the place?
I'm just glad I don't live in a high crime area.
Somebody did steal my wheelbarrow recently. Probably the scrap metal
collectors that cruise by all the time. Bastards.
If I was in a high crime area, I'd look at a few options.
2. See if crime could be reduced (Neighborhood watch, etc.)
3. A loud alarm system and a Remington autoloader backup.
Making my home a fort isn't an option.
Believe me, some piddly burglar bars are not going to keep out the fire
department! They've got gear that can pull down* the whole damn house! The
apartment house across from me caught on fire about three years ago and the
first fire truck (they ended up with FORTY-TWO pieces of fire equipment on
the scene) pulled down the IRON PICKET FENCE and didn't break a sweat.
Your idea of a "safe room" has much merit. I'm reinforcing a walk-in closet
to act as one, even though my house has burglar bars. I'm replacing the
interior sheerock with 3/4" plywood and putting up a steel-clad door with
interior throw-bolts. The closet will have an electrical outlet for the
'phone charger. And a .38 revolver with a box of ammunition.
I'm not sure whether a slot to pass a food tray will be required - I'm
thinking multi-use here.
* I recently found out where the term "Hook & Ladder" originated. Around the
turn of the last century, municipal fire departments were not tasked to put
You bet. Those rigs aren't pulled by horses anymore.
My plan, too. I have a perfect room in the basement for a bomb shelter. It's
cement walls on two sides and there are several "rooms" (bare 2x6 studded
partitions) between it and the outside walls. I figure it's a good place for
some T&G ply I never has a chance to use. I'm not so worried about burglars
as weather, though.
He should just have them "on" the door but the security door will stop
the majority of burglars that want easy access to the doors.
Think about it this way: You see someone hauling a large screen TV out
of a window or a door; which one looks more suspicious?
They also give you breathing room when you answer the door, so a criminal
can't rush in when you open the door.
They also reduce the intrusion level of solicitors (like Mormons/Jehovah's
Witnesses/*PIRGS) who blithely ignore a "No Solicitors" sign and bang on
your door anyway.
bars prevent break ins by making it harder for a criminal to access
the building. A security system notifies the homeowner and hopefully
the police that someone has just broken in and is in the process of
doing things that they're not supposed to be doing.
I have burglar bars on the window and doors. I also have a monitored alarm
system, both intrusion and fire. Should the stink-eyes defeat those
obstacles, I have a pistol in almost every room augmented by a shotgun in
the room of the master's repose. We're also protected by a Maine Coon cat,
although, admittedly, he's pretty much of a wuss.
Why would you ask such a question? Unless, of course, you wanted to find out
whether a trip to my house during the dark of the moon (or the total solar
eclipse this coming Sunday) would be worth the effort.
What's that new show about people preparing for the Apocalypse? You're
not one of those are you? ;)
I've found a good insurance policy and good door/window locks is about
all I need but I live in a pretty nice neighborhood.
Same old story. Baby in danger! Vet ordered to take flag down! Ect
ect! Call the media cause they always love it. Going after the nasty
old HOAs always sells newspapers.
The other side is the same old story too. Buy a house, sign for the
rules, then cry loudly when you get caught breaking them.
I have a security door. But I applied for an HOA permit *before* I put
it up. This is one case where getting permission IS easier than
Probably irrelevant. I doubt there's a restriction in the covenants
specifically mentioning "burglar bars" or similar. Further, some neighbors
HAVE burglar bars on their houses. After finding nothing in the rules on
point and seeing similar devices installed, what's a homeowner to conclude?
If there is no restriction in his HOA rules then he can tell the HOA
to go suck eggs.
Are this guys burglar bars HOA legal? Maybe the neighbors bars are HOA
approved. They allow that type of burglar bars in my HOA but I doubt
that they would approve the POS I see in that picture.
Simple. Read the HOA rules. If it's there you can't do it, and visa
versa. If the HOA has quit enforcing the rules then it's open season.
BTW I'm glad this guy isn't near me. He seems to keep old doors stored
on the porch, doesn't trim his bushes or cut the yard, and he lets his
dog run loose... ;)
Well, as some of my previous posts regarding HOA's might suggest I am
not a big fan. I lived with a Gestapo group in Andover, KS for about
9 years and I will never live in an association neighborhood again.
With that said, bars do give the home and the neighborhood an image of
not being such a good place to buy or live. From the sounds of the
news story that might be exactly the case.
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