Follow-up on smart meters, why they (say they) object.

The same woman who want ed me to go to the PSC meeting, sent me a url for an online petition (imagine how important that wil be!) which explains their objections.
They say they have safety objections!!! What a hoot!!!!!
We Say NO to Wireless Smart Meters in the State of Maryland!
We oppose the mandatory installation of wireless smart meters in Maryland and claim the right to keep using our analog utility meters, at no cost to us, and to refuse the installation of wireless smart meters.
DESPITE WHAT SOME PEOPLE SAY, SMART METERS ARE NOT SAFE!
There is ample evidence that smart meters pose major risks to us all: they can harm our health, invade our privacy, breach our private security, interfere with other wireless devices, cause fires, produce billing inaccuracies, increase prices, undermine our quality of life, and even endanger our national security.
YET THESE METERS ARE BEING DEPLOYED WITHOUT ANY ADEQUATE RESEARCH INTO THEIR DANGERS OR PRECAUTIONS TO ENSURE THEIR SAFETY.
SMART METERS BOMBARD US WITH WAY TOO MUCH PULSED MICROWAVE RADIATION
Smart meters generate microwave radiation, 24x7, in all directions inside and outside our homes, schools, stores and places of work. Pacific Gas and Electric reported that up to 190,000 messages can be communicated via one smart meter in only 24 hours. In a world already inundated with electromagnetic/radio frequencies (EMF RF), these meters are designed to communicate with each other constantly and will eventually link to all the smart appliances in our homes, to produce an atmosphere even more saturated with EMF RF--an atmosphere in which we will be expected to live.
IN THE U.S., OUR FCC HUMAN EXPOSURE GUIDELINES ARE WOEFULLY INADEQUATE
Many experts are telling us that our current Federal Communications Commission guidelines for EMF RF exposure are seriously outdated and do not protect our health and safety. These inadequate, thermally based guidelines do not address the hazards of 24x7 non-thermal radiation generated by smart meters.
U.S. AND INTERNATIONAL GROUPS WARN OF SERIOUS HEALTH DANGERS
In May 2011, the International Agency for Research on Cancer of the World Health Organization classified EMF RF fields as a class 2B possible human carcinogen. Other groups have documented harmful effects, including the American Academy of Environmental Medicine; Swedens Karolinksa Institute; Powerwatch in the UK; the international BioInitiative Working Group; and the European Parliament. There are many others. Entire countries such as France, Belgium, Liechtenstein, Switzerland, Germany, Austria, Finland, and Israel, are taking precautions to protect their citizens from the dangers of excessive wireless exposure.
CUSTOMERS WHO ALREADY HAVE SMART METERS ARE COMPLAINING!
In addition to long-term health effects, wireless smart meters are causing more immediate health problems. Throughout the US and as far away as Australia, reports are pouring in of ringing in the ears, dizziness, insomnia, strong headaches, nausea, heart palpitations, memory loss, inability to concentrate, anxiety and pain that began after smart meters were installed. Some people have even had to quit their jobs or leave their homes.
SMART METERS CAN INTERFERE WITH IMPLANTED MEDICAL DEVICES
Wireless smart meters are capable of interfering with implanted medical devices such as deep brain stimulators for Parkinsons disease and pacemakers. During a Black Hat security conference in August 2011, a security researcher with diabetes demonstrated how a third party can transmit wireless commands to remotely disable his insulin pump.
SMART METERS ENABLE WARRANTLESS, UNAUTHORIZED GOVERNMENT/CORPORATE SURVEILLANCE
A February 2012 Congressional Research Service Report reveals that smart meters will be able to disclose peoples daily schedules, their usage of appliances and electronic equipment, their absences from home, and the types of medical equipment they rely upon. Current CIA Director David Petraeus recently confirmed that governments can and will use wireless smart appliances as spy devices. Smart meters will track more private information than the GPS devices in our carsand the US Supreme Court recently declared that GPS tracking required a warrant.
THE SMART GRID IS A BOON FOR HACKERS AND ENDANGERS NATIONAL SECURITY
The Department of Homeland Security and the National Security Agency recognize the hacking and cyberattack dangers from smart meters and the smart grid in which they are embedded, and former CIA Director James Woolsey called the program a really, really stupid grid. Cyber expert David Chalk asserted in April 2012, Unless we wake up and realize what we're doing, there is 100% certainty of total catastrophic failure of the entire power infrastructure within 3 years,
THIS TECHNOLOGY IS MADE TO ORDER FOR DRONE SURVEILLANCE
In May 2012, US government agencies will be authorized to operate drones for surveillance, and in the fall of 2015, privately operated drones will be authorized. Wireless communications, including smart meters, are vulnerable to monitoring by drones, enabling marketing companies and other groups to gain direct access to our private information.
SMART METERS CAN CAUSE MALFUNCTIONING BABY MONITORS AND HOME SECURITY SYSTEMS
Reports are coming in of smart meter interference with a variety of household wireless gadgets such as garage door openers, Wi-Fi, home security systems, cordless phones, wireless headsets, patio speakers, and baby monitors.
THEY CAN ALSO BECOME FIRE HAZARDS, DAMAGE OUR APPLIANCES, AND INCREASE OUR MONTHLY BILLS
Improperly installed smart meters or faulty meters have led to fires, inaccurate billing, and damages to appliances and other electronic devices. In addition, some customers have reported huge increases in their monthly electric bills.
LONG-TERM AND CUMULATIVE EXPOSURE TO SUCH MASSIVELY INCREASED EMF RF RADIATION HAS NO PRECEDENT IN HUMAN HISTORY.
WE REFUSE TO BECOME HUMAN GUINEA PIGS.
The smart meter section of the US Energy Policy Act of 2005 indicates utilities must gain approval from their customers in order to install smart meters, not undemocratically impose these meters on us.
We have not been consulted about this program, and we do not give our consent.
Therefore, we, the undersigned, submit this petition as a claim of our right to retain and keep using our analog utility meters, at no cost to us, and to refuse the installation of wireless smart meters. Why People Are Signing [omitted by me]
Recent Signatures
[omitted by me. Even though they are on the webpage, I don't know if they agreed to that, and although they probably woudl have, they definitely didn't agree to have their names here.]
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micky wrote:

What you posted can be found here:
http://www.change.org/petitions/we-say-no-to-wireless-smart-meters-in-the-state-of-maryland
Those people should be making the case against smart meters based on the stupidity of spending hundreds per house (and millions on communications and new billing software) to *more precisely allocate* a few dozen kwh worth of electricity use per home per month.
The truth is that -> individual residental homes <- don't comsume enough electricity to warrant the cost for ultra-precise time-of-use metering and billing.
Another truth is that smart meters is really all about eliminating meter-reading. The time-of-use aspect is what is put forward publically, and as I stated above even that argument doesn't hold water.
That is the best ammunition to use against the smart meter.
If you really are concerned about excessive RF/EMI/microwave exposure, then put a metal enclosure around the smart meter (and connect the enclosure to ground). And turn off your wifi broad-band router while you're at it. And cancel your cell phone service and go back to touch-tone land-line.
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Someone, probably you, raised this in my previous thread. That's one of the reasons for this thread, to show what their objections turned out to be.

But then it won't be smart anymore. And soon the power company will notice. And they'll send out two meter inspectors to break your legs. And take off your enclosure. Don't put another one on it, or we'll be back, and next time we'll be angry.

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The meter can IS a metal box, grounded and between the meter and your house. I bet they can't even read it if they don't have a fairly clear line of sight. Some of these may even be power line carrier data transfer and not be RF at all.
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On Tue, 22 May 2012 00:50:41 -0400, snipped-for-privacy@aol.com wrote:

Maybe, although can't they use RF on the powerlines? As to line of sight, I don't think they all could be. The meters on one side of the street are on the south side of the houses and on the other side of the street are on the north side of the houses, and in apartment buildings they are often in the basement.
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Strange, but California has more people than any other state, but the lowest energy consumption. That isn't/wasn't due to smart readers, but for those unenlightened states (texas comes to mind...almost twice the per capita energy use) the actual ability to tap into the potential uses of the smart meters might lower energy use for these poor souls.
I'd also imagine that over some period of time, 5 or 10 years, not having to have the overhead of meter readers will more than pay for the smart meters, thus helping to stabilize costs to the consumers

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Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds wrote:

Lowest on a per-capita basis - not on a total-use basis.
California is second to Texas in terms of total energy use.

California's low energy-use-per-capita is mostly because of climate. It has a vastly more temperate climate compared to Texas.

The costs will remain - because nobody wants to remove a fee once it's in place.
And - smart meters have a projected lifespan of about 1/2 that of analog wheel-meters.
Smart-meters would be more prone to be taken out by lightning hits (even indirect hits).
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California is 48th or 49th

yes. California has about 50% more people than Texas per Capita California is about 33% of Texas

but more people. California also has more population subject to extremes than does Texas

what fee is that?

none of which changes the fact that they will save money over time and potentially add benefits to those that wish to monitor their energy usage.
I've seen posts from people who found suspicious energy spikes when they monitored their usage patterns (which you can't do with "dumb" meters) and then were able to change behaviours which allowed additional savings
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On Mon, 21 May 2012 18:49:18 -0700 (PDT), "hr(bob) snipped-for-privacy@att.net"

And those people are all dead, right? It's a shame not enough people took their complaints seriously.

Di you hear about the couple a few years ago who heard a murder being planned on the baby monitor? No the baby wasn't planning it, but someone using a cordless phone nearby was talking to her boyfriend about their plans to murder her husband
And why is it the same people who smoke pot and use drugs don't want their food to contain food additives, but the ones who don't use those driugs don't object to food additives. Check it out and see if I'm not riight>

For a little while, some police used to use in IR camera to measure the heat coming from someone's exterior walls, but the SC decided that was illegal without a warrant (and if they could get a warrant, they could also get a warrant to just enter and look. )
I wouldn't be surprised if that deicision was precedent for one barrin gyour idea. Or not.

When she stops emailing me? Oh, that's when, not where.
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micky wrote:

P.J. O'Rourke observed that the people in favor of abortion are opposed to capital punishment. And vice-versa.
His solution? Kill them all and let God sort it out.
Of course this idea is not new - Pope Leo I offered the same advice.
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You need to check your historical references. The expression is ascribed to an abbot during the Cathar heresy rebellion in France.
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Attila.Iskander wrote:

So right. In addition to an abbot, Arnaud-Armaury was the Papal Legate, sort of an ambassador plenipotentiary, with powers derive directly from the Holy See. And the Pope involved was Innocent III, not Leo I.
The actual quote, "Neca ecos omnes, Deus suos agnoscet," (Kill them all, God will know His own) is an extension of 2 Tim 2:19 "The Lord knoweth them that are His own."
I don't think the Cathars were in "rebellion," so much as they wanted to be left alone to worship Isis and encourage their six-year olds to have sex. It was the Church who waged war on the Cathars.
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And how much of that nonsense was propaganda from the RC to justify their treatment of the Cathar.. After all the winners get to write the history, and when the losers are effectively eliminated, there is no one to write their side of the story and negate the lies told about them.
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wrote:

1) Most Smart meters not accurate by design.. the power co's have opted for units which deliberately don't measure, nor credit returned power. 2) Use an inferior electronic method to measure power consumption, (subject to both RFI and component deterioration.) Lifespan is rated at no more than 7 years.
3) Can remotely shut off power at any time day or night. New feature which can fail or be hacked. Potentially inflicted major harm, flooded basement, thawed/spoiled food, etc.
4) Can remotely shut off all power to 220v devices at any time. New feature which can fail or be hacked.
5) Loss of privacy/security.. frequently reporte data can be used to deterimend when your home or away, taking a shower/bath/washing dishes etc. .
6) Are renewable energy unfriendly. (see 1).
7) As a transmitter, it can interfere with other devices you've already purchased.
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