Fallout Shelter Supplies

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On Wed, 23 Mar 2011 12:26:49 -0500, Pete C. wrote:

Thanks. I guess he needs 30 years of supplies then. I was just going on what the news out of Japan reported. That being radioactive contaminaton would las hundreds of years. Must have been talking about Uranium or Plutonium and not the isotopes created in the spent fuel rods.
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On 3/23/2011 12:35 PM, A. Baum wrote:

Half-life describes how long it takes for _half_ of a radioactive sample to decay.
The half-life of cesium-137 is 30 years, so after 30 years, 50% of the original amount is still left. After 60 years, 75% is gone, but 25% of the original amount is left in the environment. After 180 years, roughly 99.4% is gone, a bit more than 1.5% is left in the environment.
You can see where the iodide isn't nearly as much of a concern. Half is gone after 8 days, but it's mostly gone after 48 days.
Just to keep things in perspective, here's a radiation dose chart:
http://xkcd.com/radiation /
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snipped-for-privacy@aol-dotcom.com wrote:

Big screen TV, Beer, potato chips
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snipped-for-privacy@aol-dotcom.com wrote:

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On Wed, 23 Mar 2011 00:36:10 -0600, snipped-for-privacy@aol-dotcom.com wrote:

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snipped-for-privacy@aol-dotcom.com wrote:

Yes, Yes, Yes, nothing beats the smell of the catbox in the morning. Seriously? The world is coming to an end and you're gonna save the cat?
, cookware, bottled water,

, spare batteries, spare car battery for

candles, matches + lighters, first aid kit with

get it? hand

Calendar, wrist watch,

I

and

set and laptop computer, along with putting an antenna

But I understand your compulsion to tweet the high points of your day. I hope to pipe in an actual water line from our well

And water is neither created nor destroyed...just polluted. Better work on a wastewater system.

1) Shotgun and a BUNCH of shells. How long you think it will be before the Roving Band Of Marauders finds your shelter and supplies? 2)CB radio is gonna be the major viable communication. Most everything else will be gone sooner or later. Will also help the RBOM to find you.

Planting a garden won't do YOU much good if I find it.
The post nuclear world will be populated by groups of people who are not afraid to kill you and the horse you rode in on to survive. Your only hope is to join such a group NOW!
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On Mar 24, 6:22am, "Stormin Mormon"

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Planting a garden will do no good as he won't have time to harvest it.
Stocking a fallout shelter for survival over a long period is impossible. the limiting factor is _water_. Lack of water will kill you before lack of anything else (other than oxygen :)). You can't store enough water to survive more than a very limited period. Once that runs out you have to get out of the shelter to access more and even that will be difficult in a city.
Of course I am willing to sell my stock of powdered water left over from Y2K.
Harry K
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On Thu, 24 Mar 2011 09:00:29 -0700, Harry K wrote:

Hmmm powdered water. I think min human intake per day in the best case scenario is 2 liters or half a US gallon. That's well under 200 gallons a year. So 1 person needs approx three 55 gallon barrels of water a year at the very minimum. Deep aquifers containing ancient waters may not be affected by surface radioactivity. They do exist in the US. Do a little research on the Ogallala Aquifer for one.
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Hmm...2 liters x 365 = 730 gallons or 13 drums and that is taking your figures. 2 liters is more than 1/2 gallon.
They you have to allow for washing up, etc.
Joe Blow average is not going to be able to dig a well to the aquifer and muni supplies will not be available.
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No, it's not. 2 liters x 365 = 730 *liters* = 193 gallons.
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Ooops.. dropped an operation. forgot to divide by 2. so about 6 55 gal drums. Probably still have an error in there somewhere.
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On Mar 23, 1:36am, snipped-for-privacy@aol-dotcom.com wrote:

I have been putting up extra supplies for a while now hoping to have enough to last the wife and me at least long enough for us to raise a garden and live off our harvest. I'm also learning what I can about living off grid if I should ever have too.
I'm not preparing for a long nuclear winter or some such thing that would mean having to be in a bunker for years. There are just some things I don't see much hope for survival.
I live in a rural area and if some disaster happens where we and several of our neighbors survive I'm hoping that including my stash we would have enough for us and our neighbors to band up and share resources and knowledge in order for all of us to survive.
One or two people trying to guard a large stash of supplies from gangs trying to kill them and take their stuff just can't make it. A group of people with variety of skill sets have a much better chance of surviving.
If there's a disaster (Nuclear, Meteor, Super Volcano) that turns this whole planet into a wasteland, just kiss your ass goodbye. Chances of surviving long enough for the planet to heal itself so you can live on the surface again are slim. But if you want to try anyway, go for it.
-C-
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