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OMG! USS Nautilus!?
I did a science project in jr high ('60?) based on that model. It was so detailed it even had a bas relief outline of a pin-up model on one of the bulkheads. Only pre-teen eyeballs where sharp enough to see it, unaided. ;)
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Could be, but I've come to realize that my memory is turning into Swiss cheese with huge, gaping holes. I seem to remember a later model with the rounded nose - the Nautilus had more of a conventional bow but as I said. I vaguely recall the George Washington SSN 593 but the GW was 598 and 593 belonged to the Thresher. Hmmm. Since this was before the Internet Age, on-line searching probably won't do much good. I'll bet it's an extremely valuable collector's item because it was pulled. I seem to remember the ad for it coming in some science magazine for kids my folks had subscribed me to, so it got around.
Well, I've been looking for an hour and found a lot of interesting things. Spent a lot of time in the NYT archives where "US Submarine Model" brought forth 100's of hits including:
A NEW MARINE MONSTER; THE TORPEDO BOAT BUILDING AT FORT LAFAYETTE. MERITS CLAIMED FOR IT--ABLE TO T... [PDF] Busy laborers have been hard at work for several months in the ruins of Fort Lafayette constructing a torpedo boat which, if a success, will prove a submarine wonder that will startle the world. The craft is made after the style of a model prepared for it... August 31, 1885 - Front Page
Oh well. Just more proof that many things that happened before 1990 didn't make it to the information age.
NEWSFLASH! Got it! You were right - the Nautilus was yanked. Only 1,000 of the GW SSN598 were made (in the original) - apparently Revell (don't know why I thought Aurora) reissued them.
http://www.modelshipbuilding.com/ussablnclnsub.htm
Pictures of the details at the above site.
The big issue was the detail of the reactor design and weapons systems. It was an incredibly detailed model so I don't doubt it had a pinup - every sub in the fleet does and probably will have until the time that women are actually serving on submarines. That initiative began a while back but I haven't tracked whether they have implemented it yet. IIRC, the subs had to be redesigned to accomodate sailorettes.
The Navy was very paranoid about sub technology going to the Russkies. My dad gave a talk at a symposium that got the FBI on his back. Their claim was that even though every word of the speech was taken from publicly available documents, the way he assembled them made them classified. Your government hard at work!
-- Bobby G.
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You're probably right about that. It was a round nose sub.

That looks very familiar, especially the stand. I don't remember the Abe Lincoln name, but I was probably thinking Polaris when I said Nautilus. The whole project was based on the fact I was incredibly lazy and jes happened to have this model. But, I did actually learn a lot about nuclear subs from it. Plus, I was always a fascinated by submarines. Not enough to be in the service, but always loved sub movies.
The most fun was when I was able to finally see a real sub, the USS Pampanito, at Fisherman's Wharf in SF:
http://www.maritime.org/pamphome.htm
For someone who grew up watching Cary Grant and Burt Lancaster "crash dive" their movie subs, this was a jaw-dropping eye-opener of the first magnitude. There's absolutely NO room on those things. It made Das Boot totally believable.
I'd love to see a real nuclear sub. Are any on display in the US?
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Conn. (just down I-95 from Mystic Seaport).
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There were two different models that caused the Navy heartache - your Nautilus model, which I believe they went around taking off the shelves and mine, the bullet-nosed George Washington (the cutaway model on the stand) which they simply stopped making but didn't hunt down the sold or unsold models. All at the request of Hyman Rickover, the biggest SOB to ever serve in the USN. On the plus side, only an SOB could have created the nuke sub fleet.

http://www.militarynewcomers.com/NEWLONDON/resources/08_historic.html
The model you built!
<<One highlight of any trip to the Mystic-New London area is a visit to the Historic Ship Nautilus and Submarine Force Museum. When commissioned, Nautilus (SSN 571) was the world's first nuclear-powered ship. Today, the submarine is open for tours. Located on the Thames River adjacent to the Naval Submarine Base, the museum and submarine are open to the public daily throughout the summer and six days a week throughout the winter at no cost.>>
I've been on both - nuke and diesel. It's the difference between Motel 6 and Hilton. Not only are the passageways cramped on diesel boats, but there are elbows where you have to go in horizontally and come out vertically. It was fun to watch the Navy wives in skirts manuever through them! (-: Though the USN will never admit it, sub service candidates always came from the shortest men on the roster of new enlistees. It's much, much easier for a 5'5" sailor to move around a diesel boat than a 6'4" one. (-:
(Now we'll hear from every 6'6' guy who ever served on a sub!)
-- Bobby G.
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NO!!
Didn't you read my post. Mine was a bullet nosed nuclear sub.
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Not carefully enough, obviously! Sorry. Old Timer's disease. I guess we had the same model.
-- Bobby G.
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Dibs onna torpedo tube! More room than the bunks.

Yeah... way back when I was still a pup. I still think about that book, now and again. Lasting memories of my youth. (sigh)

I've read about it on the web, but have never seen it.

Really? Marauding gangs intent on doing eee-ville? I don't recall THAT ever making the 10 o'clock news. I do remember seeing a few folks being interviewed, with shotguns in hand, standing in front of their pile of sticks, and vowing to shoot looters.

Well yeah, but.... gotta remember nuclear winter. Why bother to organize into surviving societies if we're all gonna be dead in 3 wks, anyway. That guy shooting Jason Robards was a result of hopeless despair more than anything else. Who cares? No one.

A classic.
When I was in the service and overseas at a "remote" assignment ('67-68), I read constantly. At that time the mkt was flooded with paperback anthologies of horror/sci-fi/fantasy short stories, many from the best authors of the genre. I read all those old TZ short stories and more by Matheson, Bradbury, Ellison, etc
One of the most unforgettable was this brilliant short story that was only a page and half long. A young girl, who was the proverbial outcast in school, spent all her time trying to do her first witch's spell. She'd show those other kids. Finally, one day while out under the shade of a tree on a hill, trying her hardest on this one spell she'd been practicing forever, she finally succeeded. In surprise and triumph, she exclaimed, "Well, I'll be damned!" An ethereal voice came to her out of nowhere.... "You already are".

That one always intrigued me. To be sealed off is to be, well.... sealed off! You may keep the enemy out, but they can likewise keep you in. Standard warfare for centuries has been simple starvation. If defenders have no viable force to venture forth, they're screwed. OTOH, maybe they jes lost their DirectTV signal. ;)
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Thnx, Bub. I'll check it out.
Now, being in the CO high country w/ no TV, I've been reading a lot of escape fiction. Recently discovered Stephen Coonts. Boy, he's a real hoot, too. Nuclear terrorism, missles into the White House, and all manner of catastrophic deviltry, with no shortage of relevant political insights. Yet, always a feel-good ending where all the good guys live to go onto the next book. Plus, he's a technically savvy and clever writer with a good sense of humor. He out-Clancys Clancy by at least a furlong. Highly recommended if you like that sorta thing.
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notbob wrote:

Heh! You bet. Read all his stuff.
I'm sometimes disappointed that he doesn't reveal his contempt of fools more forcefully and more often. . .
I can also recommend the "Reacher" novels by Lee Child. "Reacher" is a retired MP who vagabonds around the land. Situations find him where he has to deal with the oppressors of good, decent, folk in ways usually reserved for runaway locomotives and Chinese hords. Here's a quote from one of his books:
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First thing out of the barrel of Reacher's Barrett was a blast of hot gas.
The powder in the cartridge exploded in a fraction of a millionth of a
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Have you ever read Patrick O'Brian (Master and Commander)? I went through his 20 book series twice to even understand what the Hell he was talking about. I've read the series 4 times, so far. Big fun.

You gotta be kidding me. Really?
I've read, or've started reading, enough NYT best selling list authors to know THAT whole thing is a sham. Most of these morons COULDN'T have passed 4th grade English. One hundred chapters in a hundred and fifty pages!? What's this? MTV literature?
I hafta assume the majority of the reading public are morons. OTOH, at least they can read. :|
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On 3/27/2011 8:00 PM, notbob wrote:

Eh, I never could get into historical adventures. That series was British Navy, wasn't it? I always found their caste system (echoed in our own military) very annoying. I only call people 'Sir' if <I> think they deserve it.
Although I did read a detective novel recently that was set in DC right as civil war was closing, and the hero (an Army major) was getting in trouble for trying to track down some hardcore Southern miscreants that were plotting against Lincoln. (Different plot than the plot that did succeed, a couple months after the setting of the book.) It was pretty good. But it wasn't a series, so I guess it doesn't count for the current discussion. Can't remember the title or author offhand- I was at a relative's house, and it was a library book.
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On 3/27/2011 7:27 PM, aemeijers wrote:

That wouldn't be author Owen Parry and his Major Abel Jones, would it? Jones is a Welsh immigrant to the US who served on the Union side and was wounded in action, after which the military found another use for him: investigating various intrigues against the Union. Excellent series.
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I have the entire series. While I prefer the Aubrey/Maturin series, it's plain to see O'Brian was no stranger to Forester's books. Part of the attraction to O'Brians books is Aubrey's rollicking fun character compared to the Forester's almost obsessively uptight Hornblower. Also, Patrick rewards the hard work it takes readers to decipher his books with insights into that period I've never read in such minute detail, before.
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That describes nearly every scripted drama on TV these days! House having his MD's break into people's houses to look for medical evidence? CSI - crime scene techs magically being promoted to detectives and solving crimes on their own initiative? The Event? Where do you start?
-- Bobby G.
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How about a loophole in the door to fire through?
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On Mar 23, 1:36am, snipped-for-privacy@aol-dotcom.com wrote:

A couple of guns and ammo to defend the shelter. Also to escape the inevitability of a slow death if something as crazy as this happens.
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On Mar 23, 1:36am, snipped-for-privacy@aol-dotcom.com wrote:

First Aid Kit
While you are putting things away for hard times, remember to assemble the best first aid kit you can. Here is a list of things to consider for a comprehensive first aid kit.
In alpha order.
ALCOHOL PADS ANTIBIOTIC CREAM ANTISEPTIC TOWELETTE ANTI-ITCH ASPIRIN BABY TOOTH MEDICINE BAKING SODA BAND-AIDS-'Advanced Healing pad BAND-AIDS-Finger Size BAND-AIDS-Knee Size BAND-AIDS-'Regular" BAND-AIDS-'Spot" BANDAGE: Elastic 2" BANDAGE: Elastic 3" BEE STING EASE BELT BENADRIL CREAM (Hydrocortisone) BUTTTERFLY BANDAIDS CAN OPENER COLD PACK -Instant CLEAN DIAPER CLOTH CLEAN MATERIAL COLD PACK -'Snap' COLD PACK - For Burns (Cold Wrap) COTTON BALLS COTTON SWABS COUGH DROPS EAR Syringe (1) GAUZE BANDAGE: 2" FLASH LIGHT GAUZE BANDAGE: 3" GUAZE PADS: Non Stick - 1.5x2" GAUZE PADS: 2x2 GAUZE PADS: 3x3 GAUZE PADS: Surgical 5x9" GROUND BASIL LEAVES GROUND GINGER GROUND NUTMETG HEAT WRAP - Instant HYDROGEN PEROXIDE ICHTHAMMOL (Black Save) INSTANT HEAT PAD LIGHT STICK MASK: Respirator/Face MATCHES MEDICINE DISPENSER MIRROR (small) MOTRIN NAIL CLIPPERS NEELDE/THREAD NO MORE OUCHIES ORAL PAIN RELIEF PADS:(4) Small PADS:(4) Medium PADS:(4) Large PAIN RELIEF MED.(Adult Ibuprofen PAPER TOWELS PEN FLASH LIGHT PEN/PAD of PAPER/PENCIL PEPPERMINT PETROLEUM JELLY PIERCED EAR SOLUTION PLASTIC GLOVES PLASTIC RECLOSEABLE BAGS: Sm PLASTIC RECLOSEABLE BAGS: Md PLASTIC RECLOSEABLE BAGS: Lg POISON IVY CREAM TAPE: Water Proof -1/2 " (6) Tape: Water Proof -1" (6) SAFETY PINS SCISSORS SCREWDRIVER-Small SICK BAG SNAP LIGHT STICK SORE THROAT POPS SPLINT STICKS: Small (Popsicle) SPLINT STICKS: Large (Popsicle) SPLINT STICKS: Blue Metal-Lg (2) SPLINT STICKS: Blue Metal -Sm (1) SPLINTS:(Old Shin Guard) SUNSCREEN: 30 spf THERMAL RUB THERMOMETER STRIP TOOTHBRUSHES & TOOTHPASTE TRASH BAGS TWEEZERS VISINE A.C. EYEDROPS WARMERS: Hand WARMERS: Toe WATER WET WIPES YARN/STRING
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Hey, he asked. I answered. Don't get your panties in a bunch. Why do people like you get so upset about someone wanting to be prepared in case disaster happens?
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On Mar 23, 1:36am, snipped-for-privacy@aol-dotcom.com wrote:

Storing Rice, beans and other grains.
Some of the things I store are bags of rice and beans. I only store pinto beans because they are my favorite bean but I also want to get some black beans and red beans too.
Here is how to store rice and beans for long term.
First, get some food grade five gallon buckets. You can buy them at some stores like Home Depot but make sure they are food grade. A good way to get buckets cheaper is to check with a local store with a bakery and see if they will sell you some.
When you buy bags of beans or rice,or any grain, there's a chance they might have some small bugs or insects in them. So, you need to kill these so they don't destroy your product. When you first buy them put them in the freezer for about 72 hours. That will kill any live bugs. Then defrost for another 48-72 hours to let any eggs hatch and then freeze them again before the new bugs can lay anymore eggs.
Now you can store them in mylar bags in tightly sealed buckets with a couple of oxygen absorbers and they should last for years.
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