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On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 12:56:55 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"

And yours?
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:wrote: : :>Lived here ~25 years, bought the house March 2000. Soon afterward met a :<snip> : :>footing I'm on here. Is this guy required to clean up after the dogs? :> :>TIA for wisdom, etc. :> :>Dan : : :There isn't much you can really do and remain on good terms with your :neighbor. At one time my neighbor had 16 (large) dogs and the stench :and flies was intense. Our city requires three unrelated neighbors to :sign a complaint about dogs. You might consider growing mint near the :pile or just stay inside.
Funny you say this because there's been a pretty big mint patch about 10 feet from that back fence. This year for some reason it's died back considerably. I'd come to regard it as a problem, because the mint, originally confined to a plastic pot one of my house mates had ascertained, had jumped to the yard and as you probably know, mint is quite invasive. It spreads with runners and until recently has been very hardy here.
16 large dogs in your neighbor's yard sounds like a living hell!
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Mint is a seriously weedy plant. For the more important problem, I would call the health department, tell them the neighbor's yard is full of dog feces and is attracting rats. You won't be fibbing, because you may not have seen them yet but it is attracting them :o)
I am very disinclined about approaching neighbors personally - if he likes dog poop all over the yard, he may not share your good-neighbor instincts. Read your city building code - it must have a clause about accumulated garbage/waste, noxious odors, etc. Make an anonymous complaint, if your city accepts them, first. May sound "chicken" to some, but I have met my share of nasty, vindictive neighbors - code allows anonymous complaints for a good reason.
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Norminn wrote:

Except that code doesn't allow complaints to remain anonymous past the initial investigation. If an agency takes action -- a fine or citation -- the records become public for due process proceedings at hearings. The name of all complainants will be made public.
Dan (the OP) is right on the money with his approach. There is plenty of time to involve government if the neighbor persists in his behavior once Dan talks with him.
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Dave Bugg wrote:

Get a ringer to file the complaint; an out-of-town relative, etc.
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HeyBub wrote:

You can do that, but what standing does the ringer have? How would they be directly affected? If somebody who doesn't live near the poop-dude turned in a complaint, it wouldn't get investigated. I would be thinking someone was trying to pull a prank or has a grudge.
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Dave Bugg wrote:

If he has another neightbor he doesn't like, he could use his name and address. I doubt the county has more than a passing interest in *who* complains.
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Mortimer Schnerd, RN wrote:

A county agency can be subject to civil lawsuits if an investigation, based on a 'complaint', was not valid. The validity of a complaint is always established by a legitimate report. That does not mean that a county agency cannot initiate an investigation. But if the agency investigated and took action based on an complaint, it will document that the complaint is from a real and valid source.
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On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 20:00:43 -0400, "Mortimer Schnerd, RN" <mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com> wrote:>Dave Bugg wrote:

Sign the complaint and attest to the veracity of the report; using another name? Come on!
My county requires multiple complaints from neighbors ( 3 ) and these complaints need to be in close timing/dates.
Our animal control is under a lot of fire due to dying animals and improper care of the facility. Experts were brought into Las Vegas to help the county get corrected at the animal shelter.
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Even on public health or animal cruelty problems? That would make a lot of sense.
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wrote:

Driving home one day; it is 110F in the desert. a dog barking for 'days' (hours each day). The owner is/was a casino worker and left the dog outside.
On the turn to my area I spot a County Animal Control Officer on the side of the street. She was apparently on her cell phone. I parked and walked to the truck. Pleading with the official to "drive by" and observe. Not a chance... Take the report and have others also complain. Right!
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Or, report the officer for dereliction of duty.
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I hate paperwork ;-/
-- Oren
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One could probably use an address that doesn't exist. As to using another name, there is generally nothing illegal about using another name unless it is to commit fraud. It's still the person's name, even if he just gave it to himself and even if it is not the one on his driver's license.
In some cases, I'm guessing they may have laws about what name can be used, but I suspect it is mostly about banking, and not about this.
As to attesting, I doubt that everywhere complaints requires attestation, which implies an oath or the penalty of perjury. I'll bet some places, especially places that haven't had many baseless complaints, complaints can be filed by phone.

That might be true here about dogs being walked without a leash, although I think it only requires 3 complaints by one person, but that's because there is no evidence left behind.
Once they get out to his property and see the what's on it, they'll have all hte evidence they need without any neighbor's cooperation.
Heck, they issue search warrants on the word of anonymous tips, I think, or maybe the tipster has to be known to one cop etc., but I don't think even the cop has to know the tipster's real name.
Laws vary.

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Most states (or many) might have a requirement to _Record_ any legal name changes.

Given the Dog Catcher is a law enforcement officer; I suspect a penalty of perjury would apply. It is an official law enforcement paper and will become public record.

I'm sure! The county officials need to see this mess. I applaud the OP for "walking slow and drinking plenty of water". It will be Winter soon and he won't be bothered - so much! :)

Yes.
Confidential Informants are often assigned a code name/number. Only those needing to know the exact identity is required. A Judge will or should at least require a "record of reliability" recorded by LEO of the informant, before issuing a warrant.
I could call in a tip on water waste, but seriously doubt any real action from the authorities.
-- Oren
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Maybe all, but those are *legal* name changes. I'm not talking about changing one's legal name, but adopting additional names. Gnerally, you can use any name you want in the US as long as you don't do it to commit fraud.
In addition, where does it say that you have to sign a complaint about the neighbor's dog with your *legal* name.
I"m going to post another post with the reasons this is of special interest to me, and what I have yet to look into.

Not unless whatever is signed says on it that there is a penalty of perjury, and even then, that might only apply to everything but one's own name and signature. In this case, the narrative and any boxes that are checked, and the complainer's address I think, but not the name. Because using a "phony" name to complain about a real smell and a real pile of feces is not fraud.
If one is all
There may well be a penalty for lying on a government form, but I replied as I did because you used the word "attest", which is from the same root as testify, meaning to say something under oath or affirmation with the penalty of perjury.** But even then I think the lying would have to be about the smell, or the period of time the smell has existed, etc.
**(I don't believe anyone in the US is ever obliged to take an oath, or to swear to tell the truth, but the law does provide for the same civil and criminal penalies as if one had taken an oath and lied. The US Constitution provides that the President-elect can be inaugurated either by swearing or affirming.)

I too urged him to talk to the neighbor, although now that I hear it is all over his yard, I'm a little less optimistic about getting cooperation. Another post about that too, but I want to post this one before it gets too long.
But more below.

Of course they don't need a warrant in this case. Maybe they can't go on to the dirty guy's property without more than an anonymous tip, but they don't have to go on to his property. He has at least 3 neigbhors and I get the feeling it is more than 3. If permission is needed, they can get permission from any of the neighbors to go into their backyard. They'll be able to see and smell from there.

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Our local code: (noise)
"If you choose to place a request for service for a noisy animal, you should be aware that you are an important part of the solution. In the event the officer observes a violation and a citation is issued, your name will appear on the citation and you will be asked to testify in court to the habitual nature of the noise. If after three complaint visits a noise violation is not observed by the Officer, the complainant must complete a formal criminal complaint packet for the District Attorney's office to review for possible prosecution. In most cases, the District Attorney's Office will send a written notice of violation to the animal owner, advising that continued violation may result in criminal prosecution."
I just don't think it is good advice to use a false name.

-- Oren
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I filed many "disclosures" to Seattle animal control over a period of years about a neighbor's barking dogs. She had to go to court a few times for resulting tickets. She apparently always managed to talk them out of the tickets, apparently by claiming that I was out to get her for unknown reasons. (I really just wanted to sleep) I was never given an opportunity to show up and testify, despite my requests. Apparently the local law makes that entirely up to the "defendent". The problem was finally resolved when she found a new boyfriend and moved in with him. Even the deaths of several neighbors cats was insufficient to motivate animal control to solve the problem.
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wrote:

Wow. That's the other extreme.

That's absurd. Don't they all say No?

This sounds like a problem for Dr. Frazier Crane.

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I suppose that depends on whether they want to solve the problem. If I had gone to court and been told that I was out-of-line, I would have quit complaining, so if she really thought she was in the right, it could have helped.
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