Automatic fire sprinklers

[Kurt Ullman]

Yeah and by now I have forgotten what tremendously salient point I was trying to make (g). I have always thought it sort of an interesting example of the law of unintended consequences that airbags were originally thought as a replacement for seat belts, until they started killing people. Bureaucratic oopsy. ALthough to be fair, the regs for airbags called for inflation forces that were above what most of the airbags at the time were doing. (Which triggered another round of rulemaking, BTW). I have often wondered if the less aggressive airbags might have actually done their job.

[nick markowitz]

to koala bears: food, water, shelter and something to crap on."

Just look at anti lock brakes how they where suppose to save lives and instead end up taking lives when people push down here the strange noise there suppose to make and then let off and try to pump there brakes instead. again lack of education and people die.

[krw]

Less aggressive air bags certainly would be better, assuming seat belts are properly worn. OTOH, if everyone wore seat belts, airbags would likely have never made the scene.

koala bears: food, water, shelter and something to crap on."

Seat belts are hardly an issue of lack of education.

[Kurt Ullman]

Or as a FA once said during a pre-flight briefing: "For those of you who have been in a coma since the early 60s, this is how the seat belt works."

[Shaun Eli]

Yeah, except if you're under 40 or so and haven't been on an airplane before, the seat belt unbuckles differently from what's in a car. That's why the FAA-required announcement exists.

[Cindy Hamilton]

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Of course we have locks on the doors. We also have a very low crime rate; security systems seems like expenditure for very little return. Not that I think you're interested, but here's a crime map for my area:

I live in the lower right corner.

I was just curious about how many people have security systems. My previous house had a really crappy one; the previous owner was some kind of paranoid cheapskate. It kept going off by itself, so we disconnected it.

My 1948 house probably will never be retrofit with sprinkler systems, and I think a security system is unlikely while I live there.

Cindy Hamilton

[Jim]

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Would seem to me that anyone wanting to break into a home just might look at a "low crime" area as a place where few people have alarm systems ...... or that a lot of people have alarm system.

The thing to keep in mind is ..... anyone who has the mentality to think that breaking into homes is ok, is not likely to have the mentality to evaluate where the crime rate is high or low. If it looks easy and the conditions are right ..... they do it. Ya just never know ..... Security systems are like insurance. You have it just in case you need it hoping that you never need it. If you don't have a security system when the time comes .... you regret it for the relatively small cost as compared to the loss you suffer... particularly the sentimental items and the "invasion of privacy" issues that no one ever can appriciate until it happens to them. Statistically, people with alarm system suffer a lower dollar amount of loss then those who don't have systems. The other probably more important reason is the fire alarm.

There's got to be something to it if the insurance companys give a discount for having an alarm system. Many times the discount almost equals the cost of the central station monitoring fee. You never know if you're going to be one of those "statistics"

[Evan]

It is the smaller houses that are "more affordable" and therefore more often found in very densely laid out neighborhoods where the houses are closer together which should have said systems...

The McMansions on huge lots are less of a risk of causing any damage to neighbors...

Remember, this was about protecting everyone else from your house, the bonus is that the occupants of the houses thus equipped with fire sprinklers enjoy increased odds of survival if a fire happens...

~~ Evan

[Evan]

And for someone who is supposedly busy "working" and doesn't have enough time to explain his personal method of performing an industry standard technique on something, and then keeps stating that the actual industry standard when described by someone who knows it is wrong... well...

But it does seem like you have enough time to constantly window shop Harbor Freight products and make off the wall commentary on Usenet, just not defend your REAL position on something you claim to be an experienced tradesperson in... oh well...

You are starting to sound much more like an un-handy handyman troll who does quite a few things but none of them well...

~~ Evan

[Doug]

I'm not sure that alt.security.alarms suddenly has more lurkers, the whole thread has been cross posted to ASA and AHR, most of the replies probably originate from alt.home.repair.

Anyway I saw this in a local (Southern California) newspaper this morning

Doug