That's why Usenet early on developed the convention of bottom posting,
and of showing the snips. Too many people here top-post, too many people
here snip carelessly, etc. Conventions are arbitrary, but that doesn't
make them pointless. Spalng's a knvnshn, tuu. (And the only reason you
can decipher that is that I'm using a few of the E. spelling conventions.
the first people on usenet were scientists and email was linear, not packaged
is now, further messages were THREADED like it is now so we KNOW what the topic
the message is as we scroll thru. I know cause I was there at the start. we
all have puters at home and it would sometimes take days before we got an answer
an email so it was pretty easy to forget what the person was talking about.
everyone is using readers that THREAD messages, that is line up the posts with
first and then replies as they come in, right?
the problem of bottom posting is the nesting sequence....................
last person to post name at top
last persons message
.... a lot of the time the nesting is all screwed up with posting in between the
nests and often there is confusion about who said what
along with this is the fact that
1. people rarely snip ANYTHING so the previous messages go on well out of sight
2. last persons comment is usually of the "me too" variety
.... all this makes me delete the entire post
contrast that with the utter simplicity and cleanness of top posting:
last person to post name at top
last persons message
now if, for some reason, the reader DOESNT know what the topic is they can scroll
down to the next person they are responding to. OR, they can erase the next
and respond to the first person.
so instead of:
It is much more logical if it is:
List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List at
sign up: http://groups.google.com/groups/dir?hl=en&q=puregold&qt_s=Group+lookup
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for
any of the recommendations I make.
AND I DID NOT AUTHORIZE ADS AT THE OLD PUREGOLD SITE
The problem is the mix of top and bottom posting, the inconsistent
and/or careless snipping, etc.
NB that I snipped the rest of your post, which consisted of previous
posts that are more or less irrelevant to my answer to your comment.
There are newsreaders that will display threads in a tree when to
display threads. I don't know about Outlook, since I've never used it.
Ok, OK, I'm sorry, I use Internet Explorer _only_ for updating Windows,
and I use no other Microsoft program, ever, so I've long forgotten what
they are, so it's my mistake, so get a life already. Please!
If you are reading newsgroups then you must be using Outlook Express,
different from Outlook.
And for my own part I also prefer bottom posting, especially when the
original or reply is snipped properly so that it makes sense. Top posting
is kind of like answering a question before it is asked.
Is the sky blue?
Makes more sense if it rerads:
OK, OK, I'm sorry I triggered this fight.
I don't use any MS program if I can help it, have never, ever used
Outlook or Outlook Express, and never will, in fact have removed as much
of Outlook/Outlook Express as I could, have removed all other MS
programs except Internet Explorer, since Microdaft insists on ActiveX
for updating, so I can't use Mozilla, so I didn't know that "Outlook"
isn't just a short form of "Outlook Express", which is what I thunk, but
refer to different programs, etc etc etc.
So kwitcherfitin, already!
Older machine, smaller HD, two OSs. Made the mistake of installing W2K
on a 2GB partition, which was touted as "minimum required." Shoulda
known better. Need W2K mostly for an estimating program my wife uses,
and use it for web access because Bell Sympatico doesn't play well with
OS/2. Bah! The "good" desktop runs on OS/2, and I've experimented with
Linux on it.
Currently debating whether to go to another notebook (for my wife -- I
have a Mac G4), or another desktop. I like desktops - I can tinker with
them easily. And there are some really good buys out there, of "old"
mobos that were cutting edge a mere 18 months ago.... H'm. OTOH, a
laptop would suit my wife just fine, she could take it to the office, etc.
How old is "old"? It's amazing what more RAM can do for a computer. In fact,
it's the best way to spend upgrade money, followed by a larger hard disk,
and then a better video card (which is counterintuitive, but it really does
help, because of all the graphics on the web).
In its 5th year. And yes, I've considered doubling the RAM to 512MB, the
max for this mobo, and installing a new video card and adding a larger
HD. But when TigerDirect offers a bare-bones bundle (tower w/ 350W PS,
year-old mobo with an Athlon 2MHz CPU, 512MB RAM, AGP video and 7.1
capable sound on board) for under $400Can, spending $100 to $200 for 3
pieces of hardware looks a little unwise.
Hence my difficulty. Do I assemble a new PC for about $500 total of new
parts, or buy a middling quality laptop for about $1000 (keeping in mind
that todays' middling quality was cutting edge a year ro so ago.)
It's hard to say, really. It seems like every 6 months or so, the web takes
on new functionality which requires more resources. Listen to online radio
on a machine that's struggling to keep up, and you get jittery music. The
best approach over the years has always been to buy the best you can afford,
because it'll be outdated sooner if you don't. Or, beef up what you've
already got, if it'll satisfy the need. I did this last year with a pentium
3 (more memory, better video), and it helped quite a bit with basic office
work (huge spreadsheets, faxing from the computer) and web radio, which I
often do simultaneously. But, it's still not enough for a new pastime,
recording live music. So....onward. Roof on the house, or new computer?
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