It wouldn't be such a concern if the 'warming' (melting) isn't takin
place in the short time frame. Actually the Industrial Revolution'
emergence and the large melting coincide. Ask the two right win
Senators from Alaska what they think of global warming. They have
front row seat. To ask for more proof is not fair, as virtually al
scientists agree on this one. Plus Google will turn up vast amounts o
data to confirm
Certain individuals believe (consciously or not) that to acknowledge global
warming is equivalent to offending two institutions which they revere more
than Catholics revere the pope: The oil and automobile industries. And,
let's not forget that they'd also have to kick the jambs out from under our
entire belief system, which says we have a god-given right to own any car we
like, no matter how stupid it might be, and to hell with the consequences.
Global warming is a political issue. It's been around ever since they talked
about a new ice age coming back in the 70s. They changed that because of no
interest and global warming replaced it. Kyoto was supposed to be the answer
and now it's all but dead. The signees of the treaty have not reduced any of
their emissions but they still blame the U.S. for it's failure even though
everybody acjknowedges it wouldn't cure anything. The whole movement is seen
by many to be a continuous money supply in order to keep all those "experts"
from having to drive cabs for a living.
The warming may be somewhat real to some degree but it has been explained by
many knowledgeable people as climate cycles (and there are many of them) and
cycles within cycles. Sun output, orbital variations and other known factors
have been cited but no one really knows how and why climate has changed
natuarally over the eons. Climate change is always happening.
"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed --and
hence clamorous to be led to safety--by menacing it with an endless series
of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary." H.L. Mencken
That seems to be a point that a lot of people make for some reason but I
doubt anyone driving an SUV pretends anything. I believe they just want to
be in on the SUV fad while it lasts.
You're mistaken. KYOTO is only the tip of the iceberg; it's
acknowledged here as too little too late. FYI, the whole of Europe is
committed to much tighter emission reductions than KYOTO. In Britain,
we're working on three different reduction commitments ,international
(Kyoto), European and UK, at every level of the community (from
business to individual households). CO2 reduction , and moving to
renewable , sustainable, non-polluting energy sources are already huge
business here, and America risks being left very far behind.
Yes. I know Europe is much more rabid about it than we are. But from what
I've read, no one has yet met their Kyoto targets. Though Kyoto has only
been in actual effect for a year, it has been committed to for some time
now. I would have thought they would be further along. It will be
interesting to see how well they perform in coming years. I misspoke saying
they haven't reduced emissions. They just haven't met their goal according
to the timetable.
Don't hold your breath waiting for perfection. Some of the provisions
require improvements to coal-burning facilities, and it's so much easier and
cheaper to simply purchase the public officials who can make the enforcement
go away. That's what's happening here.
As I understand it, there are target dates year by year and none have been
met. Britain started out pretty well when they converted to natural gas but
failed to meet their target. The ultimate outcome is in doubt. Ditto for
Germany as the old belching plants were converted to more efficient methods.
Then you're misinformed. The Kyoto agreement happened 1997-99, 30
years AFTER Britain converted to natural gas. Our undersea gas fields
are now declining. Next year we'll become a net importer of natural gas
:-(, so that's another unsustainable, expensive, limited energy source
which we need to reduce dependence on (like coal before it, and oil
currently). Especially after what just happened in Georgia.
The conversion occurred in the early 90s. The targets are shooting for 1990
levels. The UK's legally binding Kyoto target is to reduce emissions of six
greenhouse gases, of which CO2 is the main one, to 12.5 percent below 1990
levels by 2009-2012.
We must be talking about two different things. Your link mentions switching
from "town gas" to natural gas in homes. I have been talking about switching
from coal fired electrical plants to gas powered electrical plants.
No, I'm seeing i the full thread in perfect order with no confusion
whatever. I use a free newsreader supplied by my isp, but there are
countless other newsreaders to choose from.
>Must be a better way.
Yes, using a newsreader, the intended format to access this medium.
You are reading this through a website portal at www.gardenbanter
You probably imagine this discussion is taking place on that website,
but you are mistaken. The discussion is taking place in a different
place on the internet, called usenet, in something called a newsgroup.
You aren't even seeing all of it (because gardebanter doesnt collect all
the posts) and you aren't seeing it properly threaded because
gardenbanter is at fault..
You are in the same position as someone who stands on the street in
the rain, looking through the window of a TV shop, watching the program
on their sets. You can't even adjust what's on the screens, let alone
hear all that's being said. But you really believe that gardenbanter,
who generously let you stand on the pavement, is the TV producer who
made the program you're watching through the shop window. Nothing could
be further from the truth.
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