On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 19:52:10 -0500, "KYHighlander"
You get used to that. What I never got used to was reaching into my
pouch and getting the point of one under a fingernail. Still makes me
wince 20+ years later.
I would guess that your predrilled holes may have been undersized. I had
a similar problem when drilling an aluminum boom (as in sailboat) and
inserting SS screws. The drill holes had to be just right to prevent
failure of the SS screws.
I thought the same thing at first. I used one of thosenifty tools that have
a drill bit and counter sink on one end and then you flip it to the phillips
head screwdriver. It was rated for #8 screws. I tried the next size bit and
the screws didn't break, but they didn't tighten either. I'm thinking about
taking the broken screws back to Lowes just to show them the crap they are
selling. But I'm sure they know that.
When you go back there to complain (which you are justified in doing) you
might want to step into the hand tool area and pick up a small pack of those
Kreg pockethole screws. That's all I use now and I have no complaints
There was a tech article by Lee Valley that talked about how #8 screws
aren't always #8 screws. One big difference is if they are rolled or
cut threaded. Another I'm sure is who the maker is. They claim - and
probably know - that using charts isn't much good anymore since there
is such a wide variance in actual size vrs. claimed size. Just like
3/4" (23/32") plywood, 2x4 (1 3/4" x 3 1/2) studs, and anything else
they can shrink in size and grow in price.
On Mon, 9 Feb 2004 21:47:06 -0600, "HomeBrewer"
Wood screws at the BORG's are just about what you'd expect in the finest,
Asian pot metal ... forget'em. Go to McFeely's online, or a local cabinet
maker's supply, or hardware store that has yet to be assimilated, and get
the quality screws your woodworking projects deserve.
Its got to the point that no self-respecting wooddorker will put up with the
woodworking expendables at the BORGS ... leave such trash to the modern
"custom builders" and yuppie DIY'ers who watch too much TV.
In my experience, even the plain old Hillman screws from your typical
Ace or True Value are head and shoulders (pun intended ;^)) above BORG
screws. They aren't expensive, either. Typically about $3-4 for 100
FH wood screws.
Yeah they are plated cheese. Like others have said, buy your screws from
McFeeleys. They come in boxes of 100 and cost 4 to 5 cents each irregular
sizes. A REAL bargain by comparison. They are square drive so that you
have no more caming out and slipping when you drive them and they are
STRONG. If you buy your screws from them you will not have a bitch with
your screws anymore...I promise. Be sure to buy a couple of square drive
bits while there.
Some of it probably is the quality of the screws from HD. However, if you
put some beeswax (not soap, not car wax, not paste wax), they may turn
easier. I had this problem, and used beeswax, and the crappy HD screws
A while back, someone posted a table that they got off a web site - may have
been McFeeleys - it told you exactly what size bit to use for what size
screw, depending on whether or not you were using hardwood, or soft. I'd
also search McFeeleys and see if that table is there. Sorry I don't have
the link, I just printed the table out, and threw it in my WW Reference
Interestingly, I used some screws I bought from Lee Valley, didn't use
beeswax, and had no problem.
Soap has water, makes screws rust.
Most car/paste waxes have silicone, which interferes with the finish.
If you have a good silicone-free wax that you use for wood finishing,
you could probably use that.
Don't know about HomeBrewer's screws, but I know the ones I was
referencing were definitely wood screws -- those that didn't cam out
snapped as soon as the screw snugged up. Wound up actually throwing
them away. I think they get by selling these things because a lot of
people use these only in the soft, wet white-woods that the Borgs sell.
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