On Monday, February 13, 2017 at 5:31:39 PM UTC-8, Doug wrote:
If it's under zero stress, maybe you can get away with putty (I like Dap glazing compound).
Better, though, to replace the board. You don't have any control of the interior
moisture, it's gonna move after you apply any patch.
On Monday, February 13, 2017 at 8:31:39 PM UTC-5, Doug wrote:
Typically available anywhere Bondo is sold.
I used it to repair a rotted window sill. It's going on ten years which includes 10 rust belt winters.
Still holding strong.
Thank you for the DuraGlas recommendation. Did you use Fiberglass backing when repairing
the window sill? Was there any shrinkage / reduction in volume after the material was
fully cured? What did you topcoat with - primer and paint or the materials recommended in
the data sheet?
On Tuesday, February 14, 2017 at 1:30:29 AM UTC-5, Doug wrote:
I did not use fiberglass. I slightly overfilled the voids with the DuraGlas, just like you would
with Bondo or dry wall mud and then sanded it smooth. Primed with exterior primer, painted
with exterior paint.
Because of the fiberglass in the product it's a lot harder to sand than wood, Bondo, drywall mud,
You also might want to gouge the split or undercut it to give the DuraGlas something to
hold onto. Give it some "teeth" to lock it in.
What was the form of the voids? I used both Bondo and a
fiberglass-enhanced version to repair areas on the barn siding when did
the refurb on it. Most did _NOT_ hold up to the temperature cycling and
wind-induced movement of the wood substrate more than 5 yr or so(*). I
can imagine if were larger, deeper voids it _might_ be more successful,
but for surface damage I can't recommend bondo as being very permanent
based on the results I've had...not sure _any_ inflexible material will
(*) Noticed the other day, ring-shank siding nails driven into 100-yo
first cut SYP wall studs have worked out where heads may be as much as
1/8" or more proud of surface. The buffeting of KS wind just causes so
much movement even they don't hold permanently...
On Tuesday, February 14, 2017 at 10:52:28 AM UTC-5, dpb wrote:
I'll wager that barn siding subjected to KS winds moves a lot more than a first floor
window sill on a 2 story colonial in the rust belt.
If my window sill moved enough to dislodge DuraGlas I'd move too. ;-)
Thanks to all for the recommendations. Replacing the board is certainly the best long
term solution. The condition is the result of a defective board being installed by some
less than competant remodelers and not being identified by myself before it was painted.
Thanks again to all for the benefit of their experience.
Max. width of the void is ~1/4 - 3/8 in., and perhaps 10-12 in. OAL, tapering at each end.
Use of filler will be temporary until this board and others are replaced.
Thank you for the reply. I want to take the opportunioty to Thank You agian for the
recommendations, guidance, and confidence you provided regarding refinishing my mahagony
front door with Z Spar Flagship varnish. That was the best, most valuable input I have
ever recevied for a home improvement project. The door still looks great almost 4 years
later although a touch here and there may be beneficial.
On Tuesday, February 14, 2017 at 8:02:49 PM UTC-6, Doug wrote:
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You will rarely, if ever, see dadiOH give bad advice. I do all manner of re
pair and finishing for a living and have to say his advice is usually spot
As was his thoughts on splits; wood moves on its own based on temps. Hard
fillers aren't the ticket as they have no elasticity, and if the wood moves
the patch material separates from the perimeter of the patch from repeated
Epoxies, resins and their cousins are fine for interior use as you are usua
lly repairing a piece that is acclimated to inside humidity from AC/furnace
controls, so humidity doesn't fluctuate wildly. Nor do the temps. Most o
f the time they aren't your optimal choice for exterior use.
Again, as he said, your best bet for splits, cracks wind shake, is a good c
aulk. To do all my repair sealing, I use the ALEX 40 year with silicone tha
t is available at the home stores. It hold paint very well, has great adhe
sion, shrinks only a tiny bit, tools well and has something like 10% elasti
city when cured.
When going the caulk route, it's important to follow the manufacturer's
specs for filler strips. You can't just fill a huge void with caulk and
walk away. If it's over a certain width/depth (usually 3/8"-1/2" max),
you need to put those foam backer rods in the space, under the caulk.
Too many people neglect this important step, then blame the caulk for
failing. Caulk expands and contracts like an accordion. It can only be
adhered on 2 opposite sides. If it's adhered to 3 adjacent sides, it
will pull away from one, opening up a gap. Even if it's applied to 2
sides, properly, if the gap is wider than the manufacturer's specs it
will either crack in the middle or pull away from one side.
"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
You will rarely, if ever, see dadiOH give bad advice. I do all manner of
repair and finishing for a living and have to say his advice is usually spot
Thanks for the kudos. I try to keep my mouth shut about things about which
I do not know.
Thank you Robert! Considering the time that has passed and the number of folks you
correspond with, you may have forgotten the several exchanges we had in this forum
regarding best practices and materials for finishing a red oak model display stand I built
for my dad. While it is an indoor only item - it looks as good as the day I finished it,
which indicates I properly followed your very specific instructions. I find experimenting
and learning from one's mistakes valuable - although in that instance was under the gun
schedule wise and could not afford to mess it up and start over - back to the belt sander
as I recall you commented.
On Friday, February 17, 2017 at 7:03:43 PM UTC-6, Doug wrote:
lay stand I built
y I finished it,
Thanks for the kind words. I kind of remember that... but more importantly
glad it worked out well. I am sure it looks great.
under the gun
the belt sander
There are times where experimenting is a complete waste of time. I too, li
ke to find out things for myself, work up my own protocols and ideas for my
work. But at this juncture in my life with many more years behind me than
in front of me, I am much more happy to take instruction, then practice te
chniques based on practical instruction until I am satisfied. My youthful
zeal for reinventing the wheel is gone.
I got a big laugh at my own expense over the belt sander comment. What tac
t! I am glad you took it as it was meant, not in a bad way.
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