One of my 4-H wood working kids turned up with treated lumber for
making a bird house. It's the new stuff, AC2-- not CCA -- but I still
don't trust the new stuff.
I'm in the process of telling him why that is a bad idea, and to use
just about anything else instead -- even cheap pine with a good latex
exterior paint for protection.
Although it is touted as being "less toxic," that still doesn't put my
mind at ease. Personally, I wouldn't work with it indoors, use it with
animals (birds) or let kids handle it much. I certainly wouldn't want
to finish sand the stuff.
Am I being too cautious, as the kid's parents seem to think I am?
Reply on the wreck or to my "real" email at indyrose at milmac dot
On 8 Jun 2004 07:13:17 -0700, firstname.lastname@example.org (Indyrose) wrote:
No, the kids parents are idiots.
Wood can be toxic enough without adding chemicals to the shop dust.
Tell the kids parents if they insist he use the wood to do it at their house,
far away from the other kids.
here is a link to one of the chemicals. make up your own
mind as to it's safety.
If the pesticide industry is any indicator, NOTHING they
make is safe. First they took Chlordane off the market,
which I used freely around my property. So I bought
Dursban. Now that's banned. I also used a termite killer
that is no longer sold due to it's toxicity. At some point,
I think the industry will replace all their products as
safety concerns continue to pile up.
While some of the stuff is truly scary (i.e. DDT), a lot of the
banning is to protect people who use the stuff incorrectly. And
I have to wonder if somebody isn't seeing dollar signs on
product liability lawsuits.
There's no product more dangerous than an automobile when used
incorrectly. OK, maybe a motorcycle :-).
As long as gun nuts like you stay out of mine you can depend on it.
People in your world shoot 50,000 other Americans a year.
I guess they ran out of paper targets.
BTW, almost every one of those people who shot other people were using their gun
for the purpose for which it was intended.<g>
On Tue, 08 Jun 2004 18:58:35 GMT, email@example.com
So you are saying that I should be killing people with my guns. Wow.
Sorry, but I don't accept your interpretation, and find it insulting.
Personal ownership of firearms is why you _have_ the right to free
Cite, please? (Translation: I think you pulled that number out of your
ass, and would like to see you back it up with a legitimate source).
And circuit boards were designed for guided missles, therefore all
computers are ballistic weapons as well. Logic isn't your strong point,
Actually the number is WAY low.
Far more than 50,000 people are SHOT every year in the US.
Every fourteen minutes someone DIES from a gun shot wound in the US.
Conversation is over.
Gun owners in the US are the single largest identifiable group in the world who
suffer from a serious mental illness but go largely untreated.
Yes, I've seen this claim before, but not by anyone who can back it up.
I see, this is the "I'm going to make a claim, refuse to back it up with
any legitimate data other than 'I said so' and bail out" tactic. Ah yes,
always an effective way to make your case.
...followed by the personal insult. Yup, you're a classic. Your next
step is, I believe, to follow up even though you claimed you were done.
Maybe you could post some actual sources of your claimed data? You know,
ones that don't come from Sarah Brady and company?
On Tue, 08 Jun 2004 20:05:10 GMT, firstname.lastname@example.org
This isn't an insult in your mind? Wow.
The funny thing is, most of my neighbors come over to my place to
shoot. Many coworkers come out to my place to shoot. Even people who
have never touched a gun in their lives are keen on coming out, learning
how to safely handle the machinery, and learn the enjoyment that comes in
being able to use the physical and mental discipline needed to produce
a decent group of holes in a piece of paper at a distance.
I also note a complete and utter response to the substantive points
made in my post, and the evasion and apparent concession has been duly noted.
you are able to diagnose over the 'net? That's pretty
amazing, but I think a bit unethical. We'll have to get
your medical license lifted...you DO have a license to
practice don't you??
Some numbers from the US government, http://www.cdc.gov/ncipc/wisqars /
For 2001, firearm death count was 29,573
Also from the same source, 2001 again, homicide (not necessarily from
firearms) was the #2 killer for ages 15-34, the #4 killer from ages 1-9
and the #6 killer from 35-44. These numbers include accidents, illness,
For non-fatal injuries from firearms, there were 63,012 for 2001. This
does *not* include BB guns and pellet guns.
Total injuries and deaths from firearms in 2001 in the U.S.: 92,585
That is 253/day, 10/hour or about one every 5 1/2 minutes.
Backed up well enough for you?
How many of these are suicides? How many are criminal-on-criminal violence?
How many of them are in places where gun control prohibits honest folks
from protecting themselves, making them easy (and safe) targets of armed
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