This is so cool! A 'safety' table saw that detects your finger.

[ATP*]

"mywebaccts (at) PLUGcomcast.net" wrote in message news:LO2dnRQQucODoZ_ZnZ2dnUVZ [e-mail]...

That saw would be great for interrogations....

[John Carlson]

I guess I've had it wrong all these years. I always thought capitalism had something to do with building a superior product so the public would freely choose to buy it, not with lobbying the government to force people to buy something that they didn't want.

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[alexy]

Well, I guess I've been wrong all these years as well. I always thought capitalism had something to do with the private ownership of the means of production. Frequently associated with, but not synonymous with, free markets.

[Edwin Pawlowski]

Down at the sausage factory we no longer make links, but extrude one huge sausage and cut it to length on the table saw. Production was up and we made a lot of money so we bought some new saws from a company called Saw Stop. Looked like a good product, but we've been having a lot of failures every time we cut a sausage. What are we doing wrong?

[David]

Cook ALL the moisture out of them before cutting them and see if that helps. (You might have to look in the Business to Business phone book to find an oven long enough to hold their entire length...nothing comes easily...)

Dave

[Leon]

"John Carlson" wrote in message news: [e-mail]...

Well yes you have . LOL I'm guessing for at least the last 40+ years government involvement has helped Capitalism thrive. Superior product??? Please.... The American car manufacturing industry persuaded government into charging high import taxes so that their competition would have to sell at higher prices. The Capitalism that you are thinking about has not quite been like you recall for many many years. In one way, shape , or form many large companies have received help from the government to make us pay more and pay for things that we do not necessarily want. How about mandatory auto insurance in many states if not all. Why do you think government positions are so darn appealing to all the corrupt individuals that run for office? Why does a man spend millions upon millions of dollars on his campaign when the salary return is a fraction of what he paid to get into office, and yet he ends up with more money than he started with? How about Digital TV? Every one that wants to watch free TV will one day soon have to have a Digital Tuner or a TV with a Digital Tuner as analog is fazed out in the next few years. How about that stock market. What quality product is being sold there? SawStop is just one more company legally enjoying Capitalism in the U.S. I agree that it would be nice if Capitalism existed with out government involvement as you stated but it simply does not exist that way in these times.

[Leon]

Ok, you just made that up.....!!! ;~). the Saw Stop only works on wieners.

[Leon]

I would like to think that... I have always thought it was a good idea but typically the flavor is not for the SawStop. Initailly because it would incourage carlessness. I never quite understood that reasoning. Personaly I would never trust my fingers near a spinning saw blade even knowing that there was better than a 99.99% chance that it would stop and not badly harm me.

BUT...We still probably own and will continue to purchase American built products won't we? Do we own American cars? For many years American cars were expensive compared to many better built imports. American Marketing, how about the High import taxes imposed on all imported automobiles so that the American car builders would not have to lower their prices. American built cars do not have that tax. False positives? Have we ever had a check engine light come on and the dealer found nothing wrong and we still had to pay a diagnostics charge? The problems that SawStop may be having with some of their saws and their methods of bringing their product to market is nothing new to many American manufacturing companies.

If it were cheap, works as advertized (which it may)

I cannot agree more. Its too bad that when SawStop initially approached other manufacturers that the product was turned down.

Well I would not go so far as to say that but I suppose you are correct. There are those that truly believe that an accident cannot happen to them because they know every thing there is to know about saw safety and they enforce those safety rules 24/7. I would certainly like to believe that only 10% are against the SawStop because if SawStop continues to thrive the other manufacturers will most certainly have to get on the band wagon to satisfy the remaining 90% of us. Most likely with more manufacturers offering this type safety feature the price of this technology will come down.

[Leon]

ROTFLMAO...... Cover up the name on the saw so that the person being interrogated would not know that he was safe. It would also satisfy all the people that have concerns for the safety of people that break the law.

[Upscale]

That's capitalism with a conscience. True capitalism is every person for themselves.

[Upscale]

That would make a great comedy cop movie. And just to add to the mix in the movie, have the Sawstop malfunction the one time the cop shoves the screaming crook's finger into it.

[Upscale]

I don't believe that. There's always that segment of the population who are going to be driven solely by cost. Just like chiwanese products that are flooding North America, there would always be a market for a non sawstop table saw. However, it would be nice if the price of the technology would come down. I'm counting on that process to happen a little bit more before I buy my first flat panel computer monitor and first 60" flat screen TV.

[Leon]

Sounds ripe for Saturday Night Live, right along side reruns of the old spoof of the DieHard battery commercial. Old people using DieHard batteries to power their pace makers standing in a foggy field in the dark.

[nailshooter41]

Well, shit. I please call my sainted Mother and ask her why she has been calling me Robert for the last 50 years. According to my Dad, naming me that was her idea, so she probably knows the truth.

Now help me out here. WTF should I tell my Mom (if she isn't behind this) when I tell her Robert isn't my real name? Should I stop putting it at the end of every post?

[nailshooter41]

Well, shit. Please call my sainted Mother and ask her why she has been calling me Robert for the last 50 years. According to my Dad, naming me that was her idea, so she probably knows the truth.

Now help me out here. WTF should I tell my Mom (if she isn't behind this) when I tell her Robert isn't my real name? Should I stop putting it at the end of every post?

[Dave Balderstone]

[Frank Ketchum]

If all the major manufacturers offered the saw stop as an option, I am curious at where the median price for the option would have to be set. You know, at what price would about half of purchasers opt for the option and about half opt not to get it.

$50, $100, $200, $500, $1000?

It seems right now that they are charging around $4000 for the saw when you can buy a unisaur for around $1800 so the saw stop option basically is over $2000 right now. It seems like this is sawstop's main problem.

[Frank Ketchum]

And we have already seen sawstop's demo of a wiener slowly moving into the blade. Sort of inspires all kinds of horrifying techniques.

[Upscale]

Well, taking into account from Sawstop's desire to make a profit, I'd be interested to know what expense their added technology costs when applied to a tablesaw. It's almost a given that they are following the same rule that the drug companies use. Charge to recoup their reseach costs and charge because no one else has it. I guess all those questions will be answered a few years after the patent runs out and we see if and how many other companies adopt sawstop type technology. (That's assuming during the years leading up that point that the sawstop is still a viable technology)

[Robin Lee]

Be glad to show you one at the downtown Toronto store ....just have to ask! (once we're open that is....April 3rd),

We're replacing every table saw we have with Sawstops. (and selling off the saws we have!)

The bottom line for us is that it's a high-end, well-made tool.... with excellent safety features. Yes - it's a tad costly... but we have literally hundreds (if not thousands) people using our shop saws each year .... and it's not a question of "if" an accident happens - it's "when"....and that's what makes the decision for us.

Probabilties (and economics) take on a different slant with size.....

Cheers -

Rob