I can see that you'd never need SUPro. You're not likely to do
anything interesting enough.
We can't really talk about Pro as you don't own it. (Psssst, I did
download it and looked at it intently, I commented elsewhere that I
thought LayOut was quite usable.
I have no problem taking Swing's word for anything, it's your words I
have a problem with. You just whine and whine away, baying at the
moon. But what you should do, is take a look at Google's own SketchUp
site and look at the comparison table that GOOGLE publishes, showing
the differences between Free and Pro. You'll find there is a clear
mention of import/export differences, one of which (.dxf) that I
cannot live without.
So, if FreeSU cannot export any of my work so I can use it, then WHY-
THE-HELL should I bother looking at anything else that it might or
might not do?
You know what, jack? I think you are too stupid to understand what
'wasting time' really means. Trying to talk some sense into you
certainly qualifies as 'wasting time'.
So I guess when YOU stated you didn't waste time learning SU, you were
True. I have no need to export files to AUTOCAD, or any other CAD
program. Is that what "blows the socks off" and "BOM" means? It is
also true I don't do much interesting stuff, I have made cabinets of all
sorts, desks, chairs, lamps, tables, and even entire kitchens with
counter tops, complete with holes for sinks. Nothing really interesting
to most wood workers, but just stuff most woodworkers seem to do,
routinely. Happily, these are things SU, the free one, is really,
really good at drawing.
I only talked about it based on what Swing said, and what I read on the
site. "Blow the socks off" was not in the picture drawn by those in the
(Psssst, I did
You commented that the PRO blows the socks off the free one, opposite of
what has been said on the SU site, and by users of PRO and the FREESU.
Hence, I quoted Swingman's words, but appears you have problems with his
words as well as mine...
You just whine and whine away, baying at the moon.
Making fun of the silly things you say about me, and SU, is entertaining
But what you should do, is take a look at Google's own SketchUp
Yes, everyone has told you that, it is amazing that the only difference
is it's import export abilities, particularly since you can import and
export jpg's, which is all plenty of WW's need. Those that need to
export .DXF files can spend $600 on the pro version, and they can create
DC's instead just reading them. Most ww's won't miss either, or even
know what they are.
You shouldn't. On the other hand, if you want to list things that SU
cannot do, you should make sure you "wasted enough time" with it to be
right. You didn't and now you're out there twisting in the breeze.
Soon you will be cursing, calling me stupid and plonking me...
Didn't take long...
I'm stupid, SU is not real, yadda yadda yadda!
Especially when you are so BAD at it...
There ya go!
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Apparently he is railing against your concerted campaign to keep people from
taking advantage of a free drawing tool. I assume that he got tired of
tilting windmills and decided that you would become his cause de jour.
Aren't you lucky!
LOL ... seems Jack's sauce on your tail is itching you a bit, eh Rob. No
damn wonder, looks like he's got your BS pegged down pretty tight from here.
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KarlC@ (the obvious)
Too bad you can't compare notes with Stein on SU as he hasn't bought
the version that has at least a little bit of functionality.
Let's see if you can sell him.
Tell you what. Let's take up the subject of CAD again when you get one
BTW, the first two levels, I got a GPA of 4.0.
The last one 3.87. That one was tough. No SU support.
I quite arguing this a while back, but I will say, once again, that anyone
with a cursory familiarity with both versions will tell you that you are
dead wrong in that supposition.
Wail away at will, but it just simply ain't so.
That's is indeed quite an accomplishment, Rob ... my hats off to you. Well
Problem is, we have not been discussing a "CAD" program ...
Can't speak for anyone else, but I upgraded to the Pro versions for two
~ The added import/export features in the Pro version of the program.
~ The included Layout "presentation" program, which allows me to develop and
print industry standard construction documents, based on the models created
in the base program, for both and bidding and building purposes.
The ability to create dynamic components with the Pro version was an added
plus for the kitchen/cabinet design part of my business, but was not
considered in the justification for expenditure to upgrade from free to Pro,
which was based _solely_ on import/export/presentation capabilities in the
AAMOF, *ALL* the modeling work in the current construction project was done
with the free version, the Layout program used only to import, layout, and
print the actual construction documents.
Once again, as far as the drawing of 3D/2D models, there is NO functional
difference in the Pro and free versions of SU.
Not to pick nits or anything. but there is one primary difference that I am
interested in. And that would be the "drawing" abilities of Layout included
in the Pro version. It doesn't affect what you are doing though.
What it does is take that drawing produced in the free version and turns it
into a sketch. You have your choice of many different mediums. Pencil,
chalk, marker, technical pen, pen and ink, etc. This humanizes the drawing
and makes for a better presentation for certain audiences. I know, it is a
presentation thing. It can even be argued that is sort of an artsy fartsy
But for certain audiences, it will get the deal where the more technical
drawings will not. And that is the sort of thing I need to do. These kinds
of tools used to be quite common. I have used them before. Then they got
bought up and became part of big, expensive graphics packages. It will be
worth $500 to me for this capability alone.
Besides I used to do my drawings with a T square and triangle. And I sketch
constantly on graph paper. The Layout module is a nice touchy feely thing
that breaks down communication barriers for certain audiences. It will help
secure funding for a couple hard sell projects.
I know that this is NOT what you were talking about Swingman. I just
thought I would contribute this comment. Primarily because of all this
discussion, I am looking at Sketchup more closely now. And this Layout
functions looks like a winner to me.
I am really curious as to why google included this feature. I haven't seen
it for awhile. It is good to see it back.
NOT trying to stir the pot or anything. ;-)
You are talking about "Style Builder", not "Layout":
It indeed is a standalone "program" included with the Pro version that
allows you to create custom styles than can be **applied to** a model drawn
in the base program (actually removes detail from a drawing to give it a
customized "sketchy edge" ).
You're correct, it is not something I've much need for as a woodworker or
builder. Style Builder no way alters the statement made above as to
functional difference in the drawing of 3D/2D models.
It is important for users to understand that the tools for the actual
drawing/modeling are the same in both versions. The difference being in
Export, Import and Presentation capabilities.
Once again and simply put, and for all practical purposes, if you do not
need these added capabilities which have nothing to do with the actual
drawing of models themselves, you do NOT need the Pro version.
Look at the chart carefully ...
Looking at that, I noticed the price is $495, not $600 as I have been
Also, the free SU allows you to Import 3D models and 2D graphics in many
formats (DWG, DXF, 3DS, DEM, DDF and a range of image formats) I have no
clue what any of those are, but didn't know you could import anything
other than standard graphics like jpg's. I've imported jpg's in an
effort to figure out how to design something from a photo, but never got
very far. Tutorial looks OK but a little out there for my current
Also, not particularly clear is that SUfree can export a jpg of whatever
you are designing/building. If you wanted to do a chalk drawing, or
other artsy/fartsy stuff someone mentioned, you could use your favorite
graphics program to do whatever to the exported jpg, assuming you have a
fancy graphics program.
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At least one of them is a CAD program format, AutoCAD, DWG.
If you down load and install Bullzip PDF you can export/print in BPM, ESP,
JPEG, PCX, PDF, PNG and TIFF formats.
The program is free and you can down load it from here,
Even if you don't use it for Sketchup it is worth installing and using.
It installs as an extra printer and when you choose print if you select the
Bullzip PDF printer as the printer to create a file in the above mentioned
Great little utility program! Actually, I like Bullzip better than SketchUp.
Since you turned me onto it a couple of months back I use it many times
daily. All the individual construction files, bids, invoices, plans,
inspection sheets, insurance certs, etc, are all scanned into pdf files and
stored on the "cloud" for safe keeping offsite. BullZip allows me to do the
same with stuff generated in house without having to print it first.
Adobe was always too proud of their software for my budget.
What are they? They're CAD model and 3d data files. DWG are AutoCAD
drawings; DXF are AutoCAD's interchange files; 3DS are StudioMax 3d models,
a graphics and animation package. ...
Here's an example of what SU did with a relatively compact and efficient 3ds
11/30/2001 12:07 AM 1,940,906 f5e_05.3ds
03/09/2009 03:07 PM 22,902,677 f5e_05_3ds.skp
It started as a fully built out model of a Northrop F-5E, with working gear
and control surfaces. Imported into SU, it's a static surface model, bloated
to 20 times its original size and minus its camouflage textures.
The interface with the real world and the ability to create 'pretty
pictures' makes SUPro look like a good deal then.
The Freebee completely useless..................to me.
Now was that so hard?
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