Hey guys, I posted this on another board and the verdict I got was to
fire him. Since I've been lurking here for a while I thought I'd post
it here for some more advice.
A couple years ago I hired a guy named Thomas as a senior tech for a
small datacenter I run in California. He always seemed like a pretty
competent worker. Thomas had great personal skills, came into work
on-time, and pretty much completed projects better than any of the
other techs in our facility. He seemed like a pretty intelligent guy,
actually. I've even had dinner with his wife and young daughter on
occasion. I generally consider him a friend.
The other day I invited him to my house to hang out and have a few
drinks. At one point in the evening we were shooting the shit and
talking about the worst things we've ever done in our lives. I
regaled him with a tale about how I stole expensive clothes from
department stores as a teenager and he told me about how he once sent
explicit pictures of his cheating ex-girlfriend inserting a toothbrush
into her ass to her parents. I laughed and passed him another drink.
I guess he was getting a little too tipsy because a little later he
related a story about how he got his college degree in philosophy. We
don't require college degrees, but we generally hire and give greater
pay to candidates with the degree over the candidate without one.
Thomas said that he bought it off the internet for $450 from some
website called The Transnational Council for something something. He
wrote the domain http://www.tcge.org on a napkin and said that he had
listed the degree he got through them on the resume he sent my
secretary two years ago. I've heard this website discussed before.
Apparently they represent universities who grant degrees based on
"work history" and "previous college credits." There's no
actual university attendance. Now I'm not sure what to do. Company
policy is to terminate people who lie on their resumes, but he
doesn't seem like that bad of a guy. The website he got his degree
from looks like what they're doing is pretty unethical. But I guess
the degree is technically legal. Should I fire him because he bought
his degree from the internet instead of attending a regular university?
What he did was pretty crooked. I think I might decide to fire him over
this. If you were his employer what would you do?
Also consult your conscience. Yes, he did mislead you, but he does have
a family to support. I'd have a chat with him, and tell him how
disappointed I am at his lack of honesty, and that this will be
reflected in future considerations for promotions, bonuses, etc.
That alone might prompt him to migrate elsewhere. Or perhaps to do some
soul searching, accept his mistake, and become a better person for it.
You confessed to stealing some expensive clothing. What did you learn
from that experience? Did you return them, or got punished somehow?
Well, is he doing a good job for you, is he doing what you expect? Do you
want to get rid of a good worker for this infraction. Will you company
benefit if you fire him?
OTOH, you can probably get into some serious trouble if you do not treat him
as you have others if some one that got fired finds out.
Fire him. First, because he lied to the very person that hired him
(you). Second, to not would be a disservice to those that do work for
you that earned degrees the proper way.
Don't fire him. Thank him.
When he lied on his application, he lied to a faceless company. If you want
to personalise it, he lied to the secretary he gave it to. When he admitted
it to you he told a truth to a 'friend'/colleague with whom he felt a mutual
trust developing, don't abuse this.
He should be congratulated on his initiative in getting the job, his ability
to do the job he has been hired for. Don't underestimate this confession as
a drunken spillage of the proverbial beans, he thought about admitting this
to you for some time (in just the same way that you stealing clothes played
on your mind enough for it to remain in your memory only for it to be
regurgitated as a sinful incident from your past) and its to his credit that
he finally did. He obviously respects you enough to be able to share this
with you and if this is no reflection on his ability to work in the role you
have for him (any more than stealing expensive clothes is a reflection on
your ability to suit the professional role you are in) then let it go and
enjoy the level of honesty that you've now aqcuired between yourselves. He
has grown up, its in the past, and he's doing his job to your satisfaction.
I agree. If it is written company policy, I don't see as you have much
choice. If you don't enforce the policy this time and you do enforce the
policy at a later date, you could be in for accusations of favoritism or
On 17 Jan 2006 12:48:26 -0800, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
You should fire yourself for not being able to make up your mind what
to do: run an airport, run a radiator shop, run a datacenter, run a
data center (yes, you spelled it two different ways), run a gym...
Oh, and you're a scumbag, low life spammer on top of all that. I'd
take the guy that lied about his degree over you any day.
If you feel you must do something, then tell him that company policy is
to fire, but instead you're just going to knock his pay down to what a
person with no degree would get and put him on probation.
If he's a good worker, gets along with the staff, and you like him
enough to get tipsy with, you wouldn't be doing yourself or your
company any favors by firing him.
You might end up with a very loyal and grateful employee, and if he
continues to give you good service, restore his pay this time next
Finding an employee who meshes well with your staff and does good work
isn't always easy, but this shows him and your staff that you take
misleading paperwork seriously.
This is shameless spam for his website. He was already busted in
another group. I just happened to see it last night. See the post
LOOK WHAT HE POSTED ON ALT.AUTOS (below)
I think this spammer just got BUSTED !!!!
Subject: Should I fire this guy because he bought his degree from the
Did he lie on his resume?
If his resume says he got his degree frmm Fly-by-Night University,
and that is the truth, he did not lie.
Whether or not you fire him, or reduce his pay or whatever, because
he does not have the qualifications you mistakenly thought he did is
Is it a legally recognized degree? If it is, then technically he wasn't
He's done a good job, but assuming the degree isn't legally recognized
then he lied on the resume.
Your previous policy was to fire them, so you'd be best off sticking
However, you could always let him re-apply along with everyone else.
Given that he's got a good work history with your company, that would
logically weigh in his favour.
Did he lie on his resume? If he listed the degree and where he
got it from -- and did not represent it as from an accredited
institution -- then I would consider it a mistake in judgement
rather than an outright lie.
Whoever checked his credentials should have caught it, but since
the degree wasn't a requirement for the job and he didn't lie,
I don't see why it should go against him now.
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