I think bespoke stuff and research stuff isn't really amenable to that process. But cranking out timeproven designs is.
I was doing drug discovery research in a company when the parasite^Win-house consulting group started making noises about ISO in discovery, and there was a general revolt in the division. No discussion, no plans, just everyone knew what they were going to do.
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Doesn't mean squat. All that says is that they eliminated anyone that didn't have the certification. That's like eliminating a job applicant because you didn't like the stationary he wrote his resume on.
More than office visits? They walked around the plant once, pretending that they had a clue. The pile of paperwork required makes extremely expensive to be ISO certified. In a one off shop, this would be hard to do and, unless forced to do so, they woud not waste that much time and manpower. Paper pushers love ISO. It gives them a reason to exist.
They simply ensure that you, on paper, do what you said that you would do.
This doesn't surprise me at all. The fall in quality likely was not a direct result of ISO certification but that certification in no way could have prevented it.
Well it meant that if you were not ISO certified you did not get considered for the job. I do know that ISO certification does not mean that you do or do not have the capacity to perform the job. Basically politics.
I agree with you, but I will say that some auditors are more thorough than others. Some actually try to do a good job. But most are just like you say, meaningless paper pushers.
It's really a conflict of interest. The company hires the auditor to do the audit.. The auditor wants return business, so usually they only find a couple very minor things, but pass the audit.. If an auditor came and reamed out the company, chances are the company would hire a new audit firm.
And I agree. ISO 9001 is meaningless. Definitely don't let it help sway a tool buying decision.
Typically the ISO certification means nothing to the end consumer. It is more for of a between businesses relationship.
Yep, meaningless advertising.
Having participated in the process of getting a large manufacturing company ISO 9001 certified, I wouldn't say it's meaningless, but it also doesn't mean that the company makes high-quality products, either. All it means is that the company has documented procedures and follows them. They could make total crap products as long as the way they made the crappy products is fully documented.
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My God!, thats' the longest damned URL I've ever clapped eyes on ... oops! may have offended Mike Z there, .......oh, seems he's gone off to pray and rescue us from previous damnations(sp??)?
LOL IMHO that was only moderately long. I have seen some go 3 times that long.
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