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There is no question our educational system is in serious trouble.
The current educational process is a failure IMHO.
Gone are the traditional trade apprentice programs, but not the need
for the product that these apprentice programs produced.
High schools have for various reasons, no longer offer programs in
home Ec, sewing, wood working, auto shop, etc, but the need for the
finished product still exists.
(Wonder if my high school still offers a 4 year agriculture program.
Farming has changed, but it still is big business in my old home town)
4 year academic high schools are producing a product that often
requires remedial instruction at the collegiate entry level before
they can proceed on the business at hand.
Not a particularly good mark of excellence for our public high
The kids themselves face a totally different world than most of us
faced in our youth.
Kids no longer have time to be kids.
Cell phones, TV & personal computers have replaced parents in far too
many homes IMHO.
For the life of me, can't understand why more than maybe 10% of kids
need a cell phone.
Basic respect for authority seems to be non existent.
I still remember getting mouthy with my high school foot ball coach, a
retired pro football player.
During football practice, received an "Attitude adjustment" that made
me see a few things differently.
I don't have any meaningful suggestions, but the current
administration is giving the problem something other than lip service
to the problem.
Time will tell.
Nonsense. Two plus two still equals four and the methods of teaching
it have not improved despite decades of tampering.
No doubt the role of "kid" has changed.
The concept of instilling discipline was removed from schools by
vocal, yet wimpy parents, decades ago. That is the failure of our
schools, today. You can't leave kids with an adult for 8 hrs, yet
strip that adult of all adult authority. That's just insane and it
makes for insane kids.
Geez..... don't get me started. :|
Worse, many parents are openly hostile to teachers who make any
attempt at discipline. I can't tell you how many times I've heard
irate and indignant parents say, "How dare that teacher discipline my
kid!". That's a clear message to the kid he has no reason to respect
another adult's authority. This is just absurd. Unfortunately, this
stripping of a authority has become institutionalized and is the basis
of so much of what's wrong with the last couple generations.
On 2010-04-23 01:00:31 -0400, Puckdropper <puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> said:
True -- I wasn't advocating teachers should be unable to discipline,
but merely pointing out they should not be called to act in place of
Full disclosure - my wife is a high school English teacher.
The Bush administration gave the problem more than lip service and we
ended up with "no child left behind", which has apparently resulted in
all children being pulled down to the level of the slowest. Wanna know
why no shop classes anymore, there you have it--there's no standardized
test for it.
If the Feds included "must be able to square a block with a hand plane"
in the skills that kids have to demonstrate then you'd see those shops
open right back up. But they aren't going to do that because it's not a
test that an automatic scoring machine can grade.
If Obama's "doing something" is anything like what he did about "health
care" ("you people who don't have insurance because you can't afford it,
go out and buy it anyway or we'll fine you, and if you're so poor we
can't get a fine out of you then you're screwed") then I expect a disaster.
Look at what he says he wants to do: "Improve K-12 schooling" by some
magic process as yet undefined, "Expand access to higher education" when
a college degree is already pretty much meaningless, and "make sure our
children are prepared for kindergarten".
If I saw that last from a netloon I'd just plonk him--not even worth
trying to discuss anything with such a buffoon. But there it is, that's
how we're going to fix education--start earlier with the same old
ineffective worthless BULLSHIT.
On 4/21/2010 11:39 PM, email@example.com wrote:
HISD has a much touted policy of their high schools preparing students
for careers as office workers for government and corporate entities.
Politicians prefer unarmed peasants sitting in cubicles.
On Thu, 22 Apr 2010 09:26:55 -0500, the infamous Swingman
...and they all end up as mantra repeaters: "Do you want fries..."
Who will vote for them no matter what assinine antics they pull.
Like signing unfinished 1,000 and 3,000 page bills without having read
them. If I were the Prez, I'd find a way to impeach every last one of
them, toss them out on their asses, and revoke their retirement and
elitist healthcare packages.
...in order that a man may be happy, it is necessary that he should
not only be capable of his work, but a good judge of his work.
-- John Ruskin
The cost of running 2 or more "shops" is likely equal to the entire
budget of the rest of the school. Regional schools, tech and
community colleges have taken over. Too bad too. At the high school
level, at least a kid got a taste of a variety of processes and was
better equiped to make their choices of interest sooner.
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