The government not setting the price is not the same as actual
deregulation. The government regulates electricity: you can't buy it on
the free market, because the government dictates who may run wires to
your house, who can generate electricity, who can put lines on the the
Government involvement causes that 50% increase, and more.
The city government did regulate the price of electricity and we could only
buy the electricity from one place. With deregulation, we can buy from any
where "in" Texas. Our electricity rates went up 50% with deregulation.
Ah, but you *can't* buy from anywhere in Texas.
If you wanted to buy from me, I could not plug my generator into the
grid near Texarkana, and then get paid by you.
You can only buy from certain electricity producers. And every one of
those producers is heavily regulated. The only thing that stopped, was
the city setting the price of electricity. That is *not* deregulation.
(Sorry for this off-topic aside!)
OK, correct I was not exactly correct in how I stated who I can buy from in
Texas. The shame of it all and certainly the reason that prices have gone
up instead of down is that Texans cannot buy electricity from any where but
Texas. Apparently Texas is unique in that it is not connected to the grid
outside of Texas.
Adding the $250 required to as the feature PLUS the royalty is a deal buster
since it mean they would be getting $20 per saw just from the $250 in
additional parts cost. Good the see that the Sawstop boys are not greedy or
anything. Plus I am willing to bet that even though you license the
technology they assume no liability for injuries from it failing to operate
It seems quite clear that the reason the saw makers decided not to use it
was due to that fact that it made NO SENSE financially.
You are free to buy a Sawstop if you want one - I choose not to. When you
start telling the government to require it on all saws I will fight it tooth
and nail since it is stupid.
So you either work for Sawstop or you own stock???
You seem to be a bit naive in how business works and legal contracts are
made. . .
NO manufacturer has done a deal with them period. Why not? It is simply not
going to do anything but kill sales to suddenly add $300-400 to the price of
an already expensive piece of equipment. . .
Have you been fighting this already? It appears tha the government might
Anouter uninformed assumption.
I do not claim to know all and cannot always accurately predict the future.
Wrong again. The Sawstop is being manufactured for SawStop. If every one
is required to use a similar safety device sales will likely not be killed.
Did the public quit buying gasoline when it wert up 50%?
Only because of idiots like you that want to involve the government in
everything . . . gee let me guess a Democrat perchance?
You have been advocating it from the get go. . . You fail to understand the
economics of how requiring it would be expense for saw owners and new buyers
(I doubt the lower insurance would even come close to covering the added
You seem to like comparing apples to oranges - for most folks saws are an
OPTIONAL item - driving a car is not.
Idiot, LOL I am not a Democrat or Republican. I believe both parties are
equally right and wrong. No one is right all the time. I lean right
however. I do disagree with "most" government involvement. Not every one
agrees with my opinions. All my life, not every one has agreed with my
opinion. The same holds true for every one else. At a young age I learned
to get past that, some however, have not.
Hmm - the big picture - what part of the big picture are you referring to
when you single mindedly propose the government mandate SawStops? A certain
rise in the price of saws? Possible loss of jobs since fewer saws are
purchased? Even more offshore sourcing of products since the need to cut
costs means it is cheaper to make everything overseas? Increased costs to
use a saw since a single mis-fire will mean a new cartridge $$$, and a new
saw blade $$$. The list goes on. . .
Very thoughtful, to the point and well stated.
Fortunately, I find it doubtful that there will ever be such a
mandate. We can only imagine the strength of the lobby respresenting
the big tool corporations. I believe the *victory* in this case was
based on a bunch of engineers making a recommendation. I believe there
will be a long road to mandate from there.
If the cost factors that have been posted in here are correct that is
enogh to kill this right there. My guess is that after years of
wrangling we will end up with slightly tightened regulations. IMO,
that will be right around the same time that SS is selling off assets
to avoid Chapter-11.
A table saw is a very safe piece of equipment when operated properly.
Adherence to some very simple guidelines and procedures will fully
ensure one can operate the saw safely.
The seat belt argument does not, in any way, provide a fair comparison
to the current T/S debate. Driving an automobile out on the streets
subjects the operator to errors and mistakes by other drivers.
Conversely, the safety of operating a T/S is completely in the hands
of the operator.
That's because they choose (option) to live far from work. It's all about
priorities. I choose to be a carpenter requiring me to own a big a&& truck
to carry all my tools. When I was an engineer I rode my bike to work though
it was only ten miles it usually only took me 15 minutes longer to ride my
bike than driving....because everybody else made the optional choice to
drive a car.
as for the saw stop, I'm not for inclusion of the device on every saw as I'm
still ticked off about safety requirements mandated on lawn mowers. The
price of the ss would drastically drop if it was so required due to the
quantity required. In about 5 more years (less time than the gov. can move
to get it included) I believe the patent will be up and you'll see
aftermarket stuff and chiwanese knockoffs of the product anyway.
Like everything I write...JMO
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