I don't see any reason why you couldn't. The limiting factor with
increased bucket volume will be your shop vac strength. The larger
the volume, the harder the vacuum has to work and vacuum suction
should drop. I guess it's the same with duct work and a central shop
vac. If the duct work run is too long, suction suffers.
Sorry, this is completely wrong. As long as the lid is airtight, it
matters not at all how big the container is. Given that you're reducing
the pressure in the container the only difference from a larger
container is that it will take a fraction of a second longer to get
suction at the end of the hose when you turn on the vac (since you need
to suck the air out of the container first).
Long duct runs result in an increase in static pressure in the ductwork.
For a given amount of suction from the blower, this results in less
airflow. This is totally separate from the size of the cyclone container.
I have a different one, the one from clearvuecyclones, but it's on a
30 gal steel drum. It's then hooked up to a network of 2-1/2" clear
pvc piping with blast gates. What's really fun is if I forgot to open
a gate the flex hosing between the cyclone and the piping shrinks and
it will lift one end of the drum up in the air.
They really are very effective. It's hooked up to my TS, SCMS, router
table, spindle sander, and now my CNC, as well as a hose for my hand
held sanders and general shop cleanup. There is never anything in the
base of the vacuum unless I let the drum overflow. Which I really try
to avoid as that drum is mighty heavy when it's full, but happens
anyway at least twice a year. You could do a 55 gal drum if you
wanted, but I wouldn't want to be the one to have to empty it.
I clean the HEPA filter in the Fein every 3 months or so. Without the
cyclone it would be at least every week.
A couple caveats. If you suck up a long piece of scrap it gets wedged
at the inlet of the cyclone and this gives a starting point to create
a blockage. Light fluffy stuff like hand plane shavings or from a
large forstner bit tend to just circle around inside the cyclone
without falling down until you shut off the vac.
Burnt out the motor in the Fein after 3 years just recently. Bought
another one. Now they've got variable power like the Festools. Now I
don't have to partially open another blast gate when I use the ROS and
it's REALLY quiet when you turn it down to level 2.
LOL... I have a 20' x 4" hose hose attached to my DC and if I don't need
20' I run the hose up to a hook near the ceiling. Often the hose will hang
about 4 inches above the floor and if I have the DC running the hose will
gently swing around occasionally making contact with the floor. Reminds me
of an elephant's trunk sniffing around for peanuts.
I have a Festool with dual HEPA filters and I have always used it with a
bag. I do not use a cyclone or other container to catch the debris. The
vac gets it all. I use the vac with my sanders and Domino 95% of the time
and have been using it for almost 3 years. I have yet to clean or even see
any dust on the HEPA filters. Are you using a bag with your Fein or have
you considered doing that along with the cyclone to preserve the HEPA
filters? Also in my case the bags don't seem to cut down on the flow until
they are absolutely "packed" full of debris. Oddly enough I have sanded 3
kitchens plus all of my new bedroom furniture plus numerous other projects
and cut in excess of 2000 mortises with my Domino and I am still only
working on my second 22 liter bag. I checked the bag yesterday and it is
about 25% filled.
I don't use the Fein filters, I use one from Gore which is quite
affordable and well made. That was one of my reasons for going with
the Fein, a source for inexpensive filters. I'm not sure if the Fein
bags would work with it but I guess they are cheap enough it would be
worth trying. The saws and router table are where most of the debris
is coming from but most of that doesn't make it to the filter.
I got one recently (on sale at Woodcraft) and have been pleased. I did have
two problems. First, the plastic connectors on the hose that connects the
cyclone to the shop vac split when hooked up to the cyclone although it was
simple to fix that with duct tape and a hose-clamp. I was going to contact
the company and ask for new connectors but there seemed little point
considering a permanent fix was cheap and easy (and the new connectors would
probably have split too). Second, the cyclone did not work at all with the
really narrow hose on my old shop vac, it seemed to reduce airflow so much
that the hose kept clogging. However once I used a wider after-market hose
(from Mr. Nozzle--also on sale at Woodcraft) the cyclone worked very
well--so now I'm completely happy with it.
BTW, I recommend those hoses from Mr. Nozzle, I'm going to get at least one
more so I don't have to move one hose between multiple applications.
One trick to prevent the cyclone from tipping over is to use two 5-gallon
buckets nested with something heavy like a weight-lifting plate between the
two buckets. That way you can easily empty the top bucket and leave the
weight in the bottom one. I assume I'm not the only one with unused
weigh-lifting gear in the garage. Of course if you have a sufficiently
large shop vac you can fasten the cyclone right to the shop vac.
I'm a little late to this, but I wanted to share some
modifications to the Dust Deputy bucket setup.
Pictures are posted over on alt.binaries.pictures.woodworking
1. Rather than glue the cyclonic separator to the lid with
silicone sealer, per instructions, I made a foam gasket.
Easier to move to a new container in the future, if I need
2. The rigid latching edges on the lid's rim make it very
hard to get the lid off to empty the bucket. I cut away the
latches on the outer lip. Since the latches also hold the o-
ring in place, I used spots of silicone sealer under it to
hold it in place.
3. With the lid latches removed the lid can just pop
off...and that's a good thing. I made three small clips out
of strips of aluminum. They hook over the lid's rim and catch
under one of the buckets annular ribs.
4. I wanted to make disposing of the saw dust easy, so I used
garbage bags to line the bucket. Since the vacuum would suck
the bag into the separator, I added a plywood weight, with
finger holes, to hold the bag down and open.
5. I can't believe how well that seperator setup works. I use
a ShopVac with the accourdian paper filter. It would plug
very quickly with fine saw dust. With the Dust Deputy I was
able to fill the bucket 2/3s full and had only a miniscule
amount of sawdusw in the ShopVac.
I bought a dust deputy a few years back and never got to use it becasue it
was in two pieces ( flimsily made) so I just put it on the shelf for anothe
r day. Today I thought I'd finally try and fix it so I could use it. I cont
acted oneida who said there are two glues available but when I looked they
say they do not stick to polyethelene. I understand this is a common proble
m with the older plastic dust deputy's which Oneida confirm it is and tell
me they changed the design.
Am I glad I bought it - NO
Would I buy another - No Way
Would I recommend it - You would be a fool to buy one of these. Don't waste
your money on this cheap flimsy bit of plastic.
What am I going to do now. maybe make a youtube video to warn others and th
en throw it in the junk.
On 4/23/2014 11:28 AM, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
Well you would be a fool... since most everyone else is happy.
I don't have one, nor am I going to buy one, but I would not hesitate to.
I would just assume you were some idiot who didn't know what they were
doing, and I would be right :-p
On 4/23/2014 10:28 AM, email@example.com wrote:
I have one I purchases about 5 years ago and it came in one piece.
All I had to do was bolt it to my chosen buck with lid.
I could have purchased said buckets and hardware but why would I spend
$70 more for 2 buckets with lids one with hole and some other useless
hardware. I purchased 2 buckets at Lowes with lids for less than $10.
It hasn't given me any grief other than my own stupidity of buying the
wrong type lid so the first lid failed.
I will eventually cut out an MDF lid, but for now it works good.
On 4/23/14, 10:28 AM, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
Are you saying it was damaged/broken on arrival?
Don't you think they would've accepted a return and replaced it
immediately had you notified them sooner than "a few years?"
You're ripping on a company because of your foolishness and ripping on a
product you never used. I look forward to your youtube video about
this. Be sure to do two things.
1. Mention you didn't act on the situation until "a few years."
2. Turn off the youtube comments option unless you're want to read two
hundred comments from people telling you what an idiot you are. :-)
I won't go as far as calling you an idiot, but they certainly won't hold
I think you're just frustrated and needed to vent and I get that. We've
all done similar foolish things and that doesn't make us foolish... just
temporarily for a time. :-)
You paid the stupid tax, now move on.... but don't post that video
unless you're a glutton for punishment.
"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
This subject is one I'm very familiar with. I spent the past 5 years worki
ng on a research project in Chemical Engineering. Cyclonic Separators (als
o known as hydrocyclones) are a staple in this field. It's not Rocket Scie
nce, that's my other hobby... But seriously, if you understand a little al
gebra, you can find plug-and-chug formulas on the internet. If you underst
and calculus, there are some in-depth descriptions of the theory on-line, a
s well as some excellent text books*. All of the "operational" separators
were made from 316 stainless due to the heat and possible reactivity, but w
e made several out of cardboard (and foamboard) and duct tape to add onto s
hopvacs to help clean up various spills.
*search for design and construction of cyclonic separators - the textbook w
e used is "Gas Cyclones and Swirl Tubes: Principles, Design, and Operation"
by Hoffman and Stein - you might find a copy at your local library, or the
y might be able to get you a copy.
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