Yep. Here's a link to it:
Be sure to visit in the day time to buy, they often have daily specials
during "work" hours. This has been on the list a few times.
On Usenet, no one can hear you laugh. That's a good thing, though, as
some writers are incorrigible.
I wouldn't dispute that, but no I hadn't heard any such reports and I
figure if they were "numerous" I would have heard of at least one.
Anyway, my (implied) point was that the odds of an explosion in the
presence of static electricity and gasoline vapors would seem far more
likely that one in a wood shop, but how's about we just forget I said
anything and we'll put the lid back on this can of worms...
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To reply, eat the taco.
I've seen video of the exploding gas at the pumps. Usually caused when in
the winter someone sets the pump to fill, gets back in the car to keep warm,
then gets out and grabs the pump handle. I think that is one reason self
service pump do not have the locking fill handle.
In all the western states I've driven through Washington, California,
Idaho, Nevada, Utah, Arizona, Colorado, Montana, New Mexico, Texas,
etc), I've never seen any non-locking fill handles, in fact I've never
seen even one! I assume you're talking about the three position ridged
thingie with the metal spring loaded fliper thingie thaqt allows you to
"set and forget"? Can't be sure about Oregon as they don't allow self
Lucky you. In CT or MA you won't find one where the thingie has not been
removed. I hate holding the thing in freezing weather or when I could be
cleaning the windshield. You can jam it with the gas cap though, but only
in a slow position.
I did have a near accident though some years ago when self service first
started. The person before me put the handle back in the locked on
position. I picked it up and turned the switch on and gas started to spew.
I was able to stop it quickly, but enough spilled that it could have been
serious had a smoker been right there. Pumps have since been redesigned.
When selfservice gas stations replaced attendents the fuel pump lever
locks were removed or never installed because a number of the usual
suspects were worried that the members of the motoring public were to
STUPID to know how to properly work them. So they got the nervous
nellies at the Fire Marshals Office to declare them hazardous and caused
them to be outlawed. Well the motoring public was smarter than the
average enviroterrorist and we have a resurgence of lever locks.
In PA, most have the holders but some don't. I always stick my gas cap
in the ones that don't... Once at a Sheets, I did this and the auto
shutoff didn't shut off... gas everywhere. I still do it now, but pay
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That makes sense, all of that. I recall pump handles not having a lock and
then a few years ago the lock levers began to reappear. In Houston I think
all pumps have the lock and we are seeing an increase in fires at the pump.
How many gas pump fires? Having a difficult time here googling up hard
numbers. I suppose just one is enough to ruin your day, but just how many
fires? (Never mind explosions. We're pretty much safe even with the filler
neck on fire, unless you happen to be filming a movie.)
Regards flammables in the shop... One of my most favorite toys is a Swedish
Firesteel. It's a magnesium rod that throws off little burning bits of
itself when struck. Finding usable tinder isn't really difficult, but it's
bad enough that I keep it with a box of cotton balls already soaked in
petroleum jelly. In context of DC fires and static discharge, the energy
content in even one magnesium spark is magnitudes larger than what leaves
Not sure what I'm trying to say. Yes, the potential is there, but just how
big a danger is it? How much energy will it take to ignite the gas fumes
exiting the filler neck? How easy is it ignite that pile of wood dust? For
that matter, I have died of BLO soaked rags yet...
It seems like at least once a year there is news coverage of a fire at a gas
pump. IIRC gasoline cans or pump lables warn about this possibility.
Conditions being rightand on a cold dry day I can see an arc that measures a
quarter inch or so if I grab the ungrounded end of the DC hose. Much longer
than that of the typical spark plug. My concern is if you have some acetone
near by or on a rag. I am not so much worried about whether the DC is
running or its particular contents.
The potential is probably very low for even flamable fumes but the danger
could be high if they actually ignited. The quarter inch arc is way past
enough to ignite flamable fumes if they are present. You only need a simple
spark in the right atmosphere.
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