Actually, no, they don't. I've never used one in my own shop, which is
a wood building with a wood floor.
Great way to burn a shop down, too.
As bullshit flows, yours just plops. Discussion makes sense to me.
Advertising does not. You don't like my definition of spam? Tough shit,
added to your bullshit.
What predatory marketing practices of woodworking magazines are you
writing about? The dozens that have not cropped up here? Because that's
what the original discussion was about, spam, and there have been NO
spam from any magazine that I know of to date. OT is widely tolerated
and should be. Your intransigence is a bit weird, particularly inasmuch
as the OP has backed off, and is willing to go along with the overall
Without trying to make any more trouble, it seems as there are more people
who have replied in this group who weren't offended or weren't upset at my
attempt of letting this group know about the services my website provides.
What I'm failing to understand is if this newsgroup is public and
non-moderated, shouldn't the option to open the thread or not depend on the
reader's preference? For all of the talk about spamming and bandwidth, it
seems that more bandwith was wasted on flaming me to bits repeatedly. I'm
sorry, Mr. Hinz, if pinsandloads.com has somehow infringed on your duty to
police this group. I find it ironic that the very people who claim to
preserve the integrity of the group have attacked almost any comment in
defense, or in acceptance of my apology. In actuality, aside from the
namecalling, this thread has led to some meaningful discussion of powder
tools, user certification, and applications.
Yes, he gets a lot of points for having the balls to make an apology. I
have to give him credit for that. The big difference it that others
participate and add to the value of the group. Rob Lee is a perfect example
of giving his time to answer specific questions about his products as well
as general questions. Same with Jim from McFeelys, Steve Knight and a few
others. If Len is interested in woodworking and participates in
discussions, he will soon be know for his generosity and I'm sure many of us
would like to reciprocate by doing business with him.
Where do you draw the line? How about Ron Popiel posting weekly specials?
If no one ever complains or comments, we will be over run with advertising.
Yes, perhaps I'm a bit of a newsgroup cop, but it is to maintain a good
group for all of us.
Apology accepted by this subscriber. If you're new to usenet, you might find
the first three links at http://www.iedu.com/c/ of some help.
Actually, these products may eventually lead to a whole new definition of
"big iron" ;-)
DeSoto, Iowa USA
Some serious questions:
Did you read the regular postings in the newsgroup "news.announce.newusers"?
Did you do _any_ of the things that are recommended in those advisories?
Were you aware that most newsgroups have a 'charter' -- a document that
describes what is 'acceptable behavior' in that particular newsgroup?
Did you make any attempt to locate such a document covering 'rec.woodworking'
before posting a commercial solicitation to that newsgroup?
Can you state what _possible_ relevance you thought your tools have to
people engaged in "RECREATIONAL woodworking" -- cabinet-making, fine
furniture, wood-carving, 'turning', and occasionally _finish_ carpentry --
as separate and distinct from "rough" carpentry?
Do _you_ know *anything* about woodworking? *CAN* you contribute anything
constructive to any =woodworking= discussions _not_ involving explosives?
Now, for some 'really dirty' questions --
Do you "pay attention" to your prospective audience when you _buy_
Or do you take out ads "just anywhere" that there is a remote possibility
that someone who does carpentry might see it?
Or did you just "not bother" with any attempt to 'qualify' the target
audience, because _this_ ad was "free" ? ("free" meaning that _other_
_people_ are paying all the expenses for it -- the costs for the lines
to move the articles from server to server, the costs of those servers,
Did you bother to _ask_ the people who pay for the rest of the system if
it was alright with *them* if you spent _their_ money advertising *your*
Or did you feel it was O.K, because you were only taking 'a little bit'
of their money and resources for your personal gain?
So... in what way is the OP any different from you, me and the rest of the
users on the internet? How are we somehow different from Rob's claim up
above, about using a service for free that other people are paying for?
Rob's point is pure BS simply because he's trying to make an argument based
on the very design nature of the internet.
FWIW - I don't consider your post SPAM at all.
I have zero need for one of your tools, but felt obliged to let *you* know
I didn't object to your post.
I'll even consider your target newsgroup "topical". (I assume you posted
The FTC is trying to do something about spam. I wonder if it will work. It
is part of "Operation Spam Zombies". Sounds like a plot for a bad movie.
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