There's an underground coal mine fire in New Straitsville, OH which has
been burning for 120 years.
"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
Nonsense. Global Warming is caused, or at least started, by the "AIDS Quilt"
and for another commentary:
The ThinkProgress site is suspect: liberals twisting facts once again.
The hockey stick graph is a real good clue to that without research.
Their "study" indicating that "NRA Members Agree: More Gun Regulation
Makes Sense" is such bullshit I can't stand it. I wonder how long it
took them to find that many liberals with guns who were NRA members-
in-name-only. Or did they just have liberals buy memberships to
support that "study"?
And if AGWK is at the high end of predictions, why has each IPCC study
since the first shown -less- warming than first reported? They
stairstep down. My guess is that the computer models are being
updated as they find new data to make them more, or at least
Have you read the Koch report on their server or Muller's report, or
just this completely cooked-up page at TP? (Fitting initials. I think
of toilet paper when reading their dung.) I'm off to find the real
reports now. It's no wonder that TP didn't link it, and I'm surprised
that they linked Muller's.
It takes as much energy to wish as to plan.
I know. Somehow my FB tells me it is soon. Btw, you're too young to be
so curmudgeonly <grin>.
While I am for gun control, I think that the NRA has driven too many
people to buy guns, so that I am almost feeling forced to go and get some
too. I'll let you all know when I do, so you can get body armor ...
Let me know when you find reliable reports denying the Muller paper.
Sometimes it is better to plan and act on your suspicions, than to just
sit and wait.
-- Han Broekman
Available for anyone who bothers to read their FAQ?
Can look no further than their own words to understand that they
themselves imply their guess is apparently as good as any other, and to
also understand that thus far their study is taking into account land
data ONLY and is, by their own admission, far from complete:
Berkeley Earth has not yet begun to analyze ocean temperatures (we hope
to do this in the next year), so the plotted data is land only. Land
warms more than oceans, so when we include the ocean we expect the total
global warming to be less.
Has Global Warming Stopped?
This exercise simply shows that the decadal fluctuations are too large
to allow us to make decisive conclusions about long term trends based on
close examination of periods as short as 13 to 15 years.
Do Judith Curry and Richard Muller disagree?
Below is a joint statement by Judith Curry and Richard Muller:
In recent days, statements we've made to the media and on blogs have
been characterized as contradictory. They are not.
We have both said that the global temperature record of the last 13
years shows evidence suggesting that the warming has slowed. Our new
analysis of the land-based data neither confirms nor denies this
contention. If you look at our new land temperature estimates, you can
see a flattening of the rise, or a continuation of the rise, _depending
on the statistical approach you take_
Continued global warming "skepticism" is a proper and a necessary part
of the scientific process. The Wall St. Journal Op-Ed by one of us
(Muller) seemed to take the opposite view with its title and subtitle:
"The Case Against Global-Warming Skepticism -- There were good reasons
for doubt, until now." But those words were not written by Muller. The
title and the subtitle of the submitted Op-Ed were "Cooling the Warming
Debate - Are you a global warming skeptic? If not, perhaps you should
be. Let me explain why." The title and subtitle were changed by the
editors without consulting or seeking permission from the author.
Readers are encouraged to ignore the title and read the content of the
We do not agree with each other on every feature of climate change. We
have had vigorous discussions, for example, on the proper way to analyze
hurricane records. Such disagreements are an essential part of the
So much for putting your faith in incomplete studies. LOL
Last update: 4/15/2010
KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious)
That would be man caused global warming. Global warming in general has
been occurring for the last 10,000 years or so since the last major ice
age. Since ice ages occur cyclically and have a tendency to scrape a
lot of stuff off land, it might be nice if we were able to prevent the
next one so that cities like New York, Chicago, etc aren't erased.
Well, maybe New York ;-)
"Socialism is a philosophy of failure,the creed of ignorance, and the
gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery"
Han, global warming alarmism (AGWK) is indeed a hoax. It has lies,
misread data, imperfect models, and exaggerations all rolled into one
nasty True Belief religion. It's sorta like Obamunism.
I'm with you in wanting CO2 emissions considerably reduced, but I
don't believe humans need to change their way of life to do it; Only
It takes as much energy to wish as to plan.
I'm really not sure whether whether alarm is necessary. I think there is
a real heads up, that we can't go on the way we have been going. I'm
sure that some of that has to do with presentation and interpretation -
on the sides of both alarmists and denyers/deniers.
I am trying to read Ron Paul's book Liberty defined, and have gotten to
the E(ducation). So far it is to me a mixture of naive belief in the
good of the natural mechanisms of free trade and laissez faire that human
interactions will always lead to the best, although there are some tenets
of Paul's that I could agree with. I'll have to see how much further I
can get through the book. As far as Obamunism is concerned, Romneycare
in Mass was the example, and by all accounts that I have rather
successful, including the mandate and the penalties. Is the ACA a good
compromise? It is a compromise. On all sides there has been give and
take, and as usual (give Paul his due), the medical industry has
influenced through lobbying the law WAY too much. Since Congress lives
by slogans, bribery and sleight of hand, it is difficult to see how it
can be rectified. I hope it will self-adjust once in effect, but in
spite of my hope, I am a doubting Thomas as well.
That's a start. But I do believe that an attitude adjustment comes darn
close to a change in the way of life. One good thing of this recession
is that we are learning to be more frugal (overall, some more than
others, and some very, very painfully).
It was only a 5-4 decision by the SCOTUS, but it was ruled
constitutional, so your opinion is only that, your opinion, not legally
Yes, indeed. We are frugal too, and Congress isn't. That is because too
many "constituents" scream when their earmarks are attacked. So it is
almost everyone around that is NOT frugal when congressional largesse is
seen as a handout.
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