OT - Neighbor borrows tools and doesn't bring back

you gotta dance with

But they'd just vote themselves a special prison with hot and cold running hookers and whatever other conveniences they thought appropriate and use it as an excuse to party.

Reply to
J. Clarke
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sometimes you gotta dance with

I like that, Charlie. Maybe marriage could go by those rules too? FIRST you buy her a house.....etc. :)

Reply to
Robatoy

It's very easy without pissing anyone off.

Go get your tools back when he isn't home and flirt with his wife. Nope, I'm not kidding. A) He won't like you coming over when he isn't home and he will think twice about borrowing next time. B) His wife won't like you coming over unannounced and tell him to stop borrowing your tools.

C) She flirts back and you have wild sex on his shop bench. Then you start offering him MORE tools so you have an excuse to go back over.

In all three cases it's WIN WIN WIN.

BTW I'm experienced A&C personally...years ago....

Reply to
Barry_Gold

OK All you guys who are married to foxy wives can come loan some tools. Give me a list of what you need - if I don't have it, that means I'll have go buy it.

Rules: You must have a job. This is important when I have to come over there for tool removal while the wife is at home. Inform the wife I'm coming over so that we both can come and to not wear anything complicated.

I'll be sitting here next to the phone so don't be shy.

Pete

Reply to
cselby

I won't give advice but I will point something out. Your last sentence asks about bad blood. From what you've said, there either already is or will be the next time he leaves a tool in the weather or misuses it. Since he's already broken your rules of how to treat tools, it's pretty clear he'll do so again.

Sometimes we hate to piss people off for being territorial about our possessions, but we're willing to let ourselves get pissed off and say nothing. That's not helping anyone, including your neighbour.

I don't think it's too late for any of your options, and you've had a few suggested, including nipping it in the bud. And yes, it's still in the bud so far, but it will go full bloom if you do nothing. As Swing said, it's all in what you think you can live with.

Whatever you do, it's not really going to be that pleasant. Do nothing, get pissed off. Nip it, get him riled or at the very least embarrassed. Something in between, and the feelings will be somewhere in the middle.

Let us know how it turns out. I don't think there's anyone who's got even a small selection of tools that hasn't been in the same predicament.

Tanus

Reply to
Tanus

Seems to me that first appeared mid-November 1996...

Reply to
Doug Miller

As a diligent homeowner you no doubt talk to your insurance agent from time to time to discuss your coverage and make sure you are not underinsured and during such a discussion you could mention that you have been loaning out tools to your neighbor/friends to which your agent would certainly look at your sternly and tell you that you must not loan your tools to anyone as it exposes you to potential liability. From a liability standpoint you were duly cautioned by your agent to adopt a policy of no loan of tools, which from a neighbor's standpoint is regrettable, but understandable... right?

(Actually, loaning a ladder or any power tool that can do serious bodily injury is asking for trouble, friends quickly turn into claimants when there is an accident and you have good coverage.)

Reply to
John L. Poole

Insurance companies buying off politicians, and politician-in-training lawyers, dictating life in good old NA, (once) land of the free.

A pox on all three.

Reply to
Swingman

My $.02- a guy that doesn't understand why you might not want to loan your tools to him isn't a guy that should be allowed to use them. Those kind of people, I don't worry about pissing off.

There are cases where a guy has already got a shop full of tools, and knows how to take care of them. Everyone finds they need some widget they don't happen to have from time to time, and in those cases, I'm happy to lend a tool- but not if they don't have and maintain their own shop. I'm not a free rental outfit for weekend warriors!

Reply to
Prometheus

Old Indian advice:

If you don't loan your tools, he get mad.

If you LOAN your tools, you get mad.

Damn site better HE get mad.

Reply to
Rich

I'm moving to a new (old) house and plan on making my garage the workroom. Where I live now I only have 1 neighbor. He has more tools then me, but he did borrow my tile saw. Returned it the following week (as he said) in better condition then when it left.

Anyway, my new house will be in a regular neighborhood, so I think I'll start off by putting a friendly wood sign next to the door to the workroom. "Borrow my wife, borrow my kids, but not the tools or the car"...

Swingman, I didn't know you could get a wife at Harbor Freight. Gotta go home and look at that catalogue again.

-Jim

Reply to
jtpr

ometimes you gotta dance with

ie. Maybe marriage could go by those rules too? FIRST

You might as well. That's the way it works, anyway.

Reply to
Charlie Self

ying off politicians, and politician-in-training

Double pox. My wife's country church has something like five dusk to dawn lights. Why? Not because there's any real need: members would know to bring a flashlight at night when the building is unoccupied. But the insurance company says each exit/entrance/hazard (as they perceive hazard) must be illuminated all night.

I know a lot of people who use those things to light their yards, shops, garages, etc. Sort of like saying, "Here are the goodies. Come and get them."

Reply to
Charlie Self

Actually, security lighting is a very good deterrent against vandals and thieves.

In a former life, I sold a lot of outdoor lighting systems designed specifically for security applications.

Think you will find the insurance companies will give you a break if you have security lighting.

Lew

Lew

Reply to
Lew Hodgett

Interesting. Good points on both sides. It provides illumination while thieves to work at opening the door/window while also illuminating themselves doing it, and hopefully causing law enforcement to be summoned.

Are there statistics on this? Number of break-ins broken down by places with and places without lighting?

Reply to
George Max

The answer to the question is:

Does the insurance give a lower rate if the property has security lighting?

Lew

Reply to
Lew Hodgett

You might find to be of interest. There are links and references to several studies.

Please note though that the axe they are grinding is "light pollution" so take it with a large dose of salt.

Reply to
J. Clarke

No, that does not answer the question.

Insurance companies can make mistakes.

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fredfighter

Reply to
fredfighter

No idea about stats, but I'm talking about country, not town. I could put dusk to dawns on my shop, but all it does is throw light into my bedroom window during winter when the trees are bare. When the trees aren't bare, I can't see the shop without going down to the basement and out. So, no point.

Reply to
Charlie Self

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