O/T What are the real truths? What is happening right under our nose?

[Dave - Parkville, MD]

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Agreed. Skipped over too many.

[Fred the Red Shirt]

Jose Padilla was held incommunicado, without being charged with a crime, for four years. This administration even transferred him from one Federal District to another to stall his habeus petition by sending it back to a lower court.

Since you insist on a completely amoral and selfish reason, I remind you of the wisdom that if you wait until you personally are targeted it will be too late? For myself, I will stick to demanding respect for fundamental human rights regardless of the accusation any government makes against that person.

Consider the fallacy that the Great Writ of habeus Corpus doe not apply to aliens or can be suspended by the Congress other than in the event of invasion or insurrection If that becomes accepted. If so, any citizen may be denied a hearing top demand that the government show cause to hold through the simple subterfuge of accusing him of being a non-citizen.

A government that does not respect the fundamental rights of human beings as a matter of principle, will not respect the rights of its citizens either.

Your freedom to swing your fist always stopped at my nose.

Your freedom to soil your own nest stops when it spills over to my nest.

[Fred the Red Shirt]

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That is a very interesting statement considering that Cheney successful quashed the Congressional effort to obtain minutes of those meetings by citing executive privilege. Which later made it all the more precious when he later advanced the novel claim that the Vice President was NOT part of the administration.

So please do tell us what transpired when Cheney met with those Enron Executives six months or so before Enron collapsed.

[Fred the Red Shirt]

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Go Cheney yourself.

[Mark & Juanita]

I think the point where you berated me for trying to "muzzle people who ask questions" and "Stop trying to muzzle/belittle people who have a legitimate reason to challenge the honesty of the spin doctors from Washington" when I was replying to someone who was trying to blame Bush and Cheney for engineering the 9/11 attack might have led me to that conclusion. Ya think? No putting words in your mouth, just using the words you used relative to my reply to a troofer.

Well, that was the subject of the post I was replying to. Do try to keep up.